However....is not 4-D-0, per TGM ( and I could be wrong - again - have no book, etc) Release Motions - meaning, accumulator #2 and #3?
If so, I do not believe (could be wrong), Homer never refers to clubface in this regard.
Again, going on memory, but....clubface is irrelevant.
Ok, now.....I dont know about turned, not turned, etc.
But...
Sequenced release occurs because of centrifugal force.
Simultaneous as a result of thrust.
So - please, lets forget about clubface, or pivot driven, etc.
......
Point is, sequenced and simultaneous are different. Why?
Cent force and thrust.
Love the enthusiasm,
but my friend,
no confusion here.
Patrick
Patrick,
After all is said, and I've given it my best thought, I can only conclude that you're correct in this matter. Sequenced Release - Centrifugal Force and Simultaneous Release - Thrust.
However, my best try only gets a "C" in this classroom at LBG University. At least I feel confident I'm on the right track.
Bucket, I humbly agree. I've played with 15 year old kids that beat me. But wait, one more try? How about 2 retired female High School literature teachers and they have to give us 2 strokes a side?
After all is said, and I've given it my best thought, I can only conclude that you're correct in this matter. Sequenced Release - Centrifugal Force and Simultaneous Release - Thrust.
However, my best try only gets a "C" in this classroom at LBG University. At least I feel confident I'm on the right track.
Bucket, I humbly agree. I've played with 15 year old kids that beat me. But wait, one more try? How about 2 retired female High School literature teachers and they have to give us 2 strokes a side?
Daryl,
My friend. I agree - I am not Homer, nor Lynn nor Mike O.....
I agree to disagree - and love the back and forth. It is/was/and will be -------------FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but if the Clubface is already square to the Plane Line (Facing the Ball during the Release) Then the Hands have been Rolled prior to (#3 before #2) Uncocking the Left Wrist. Possibly, your confusion comes from thinking that individual Wrist and hand motions and Pivot are the same thing. Allow me to explain.
Daryl,
You switched it up a little bit- the prior post was referring to when the clubface points at the plane line- but the above quote states square to the plane line and further clarifies that to mean pointing at the ball. Not sure how you invision the clubface square to the plane line AND looking at the ball?
The release can start anywhere from the earliest part of the downswing to the last instant before impact- not sure where you are invisioning this release taking place where the clubface is "square to the plane line".
When you say the clubface- the amount of loft would influence when it would or could point at the plane line. If I was laying open a sandwedge out of the bunker- the face might point at the ball at the top of the swing.
I guess I'd need to see a picture of a golfer - where as you describe the face is pointing at the ball during release- and see what that looks like. Not sure anyone would do that during the period of the downswing where the shaft is parallel to the ground or any point after that - until impact- unless you're talking about a unique short shot around the green.
It's all confusing to me.
Although I would say that unlikely as it may sound- Phillygolf is correct in that a sequenced release (whether for a straight ball, slice, hook) is defined by the timing sequence of the accumulators #2 and #3. Clubface orientation is a completely separate issue.
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Daryl,
You switched it up a little bit- the prior post was referring to when the clubface points at the plane line- but the above quote states square to the plane line and further clarifies that to mean pointing at the ball. Not sure how you invision the clubface square to the plane line AND looking at the ball?
The release can start anywhere from the earliest part of the downswing to the last instant before impact- not sure where you are invisioning this release taking place where the clubface is "square to the plane line".
When you say the clubface- the amount of loft would influence when it would or could point at the plane line. If I was laying open a sandwedge out of the bunker- the face might point at the ball at the top of the swing.
I guess I'd need to see a picture of a golfer - where as you describe the face is pointing at the ball during release- and see what that looks like. Not sure anyone would do that during the period of the downswing where the shaft is parallel to the ground or any point after that - until impact- unless you're talking about a unique short shot around the green.
It's all confusing to me.
Although I would say that unlikely as it may sound- Phillygolf is correct in that a sequenced release (whether for a straight ball, slice, hook) is defined by the timing sequence of the accumulators #2 and #3. Clubface orientation is a completely separate issue.
Mike,
I think you may have found the error in my thinking. Please look at post #46 in this thread. I said that Sergios Wrists are Cocked and His Clubface is pointing at the Plane Line, and maybe I’m wrong to say it’s pointing at the Ball. This may be where I'm making a mistake.
My understanding of the Sequenced Release Motion is that the #3 Acc (Hand Motion – Clubface control) is preceded by the #2 Acc (Wrist Motion - Clubhead). In Sergios case, as this Picture illustrates, His Left Wrist looks Flat to me, with a 10-2-D Grip. I guess at the 10-2-D grip because his Clubface is facing the Plane Line when his Left Wrist is Flat. I’m saying that His Clubface is (in dummied down Golf vernacular) square to the Ball. If that’s true, then he won’t need to Swivel into Impact (he only needs the Pivot to Roll the #3). He is using Simultaneous Release (Right hand Paddlewheel). Additionally, I have been trying (but failed) to say that he cannot unCock and Roll on the same Planeline if he tries to Sequence the Release.
Sergio is Swinging only because his is not using Right Arm Thrust. Sergio also Cocks Both Wrists.
If someone can put all of this together, like I have (misguided perhaps), then it becomes clear that Sergio is 10-2-D, Angle Hinging, Controlled Throwaway Swinger, 165 pounds, wins Millions, and gets all the Girls.
Daryl,
You switched it up a little bit- the prior post was referring to when the clubface points at the plane line- but the above quote states square to the plane line and further clarifies that to mean pointing at the ball. Not sure how you invision the clubface square to the plane line AND looking at the ball?
The release can start anywhere from the earliest part of the downswing to the last instant before impact- not sure where you are invisioning this release taking place where the clubface is "square to the plane line".
When you say the clubface- the amount of loft would influence when it would or could point at the plane line. If I was laying open a sandwedge out of the bunker- the face might point at the ball at the top of the swing.
I guess I'd need to see a picture of a golfer - where as you describe the face is pointing at the ball during release- and see what that looks like. Not sure anyone would do that during the period of the downswing where the shaft is parallel to the ground or any point after that - until impact- unless you're talking about a unique short shot around the green.
It's all confusing to me.
Although I would say that unlikely as it may sound- Phillygolf is correct in that a sequenced release (whether for a straight ball, slice, hook) is defined by the timing sequence of the accumulators #2 and #3. Clubface orientation is a completely separate issue.
This thread brought YOU outta the woodwork????? What the hell is wrong with you???
I think you may have found the error in my thinking. Please look at post #46 in this thread. I said that Sergios Wrists are Cocked and His Clubface is pointing at the Plane Line, and maybe I’m wrong to say it’s pointing at the Ball. This may be where I'm making a mistake.
My understanding of the Sequenced Release Motion is that the #3 Acc (Hand Motion – Clubface control) is preceded by the #2 Acc (Wrist Motion - Clubhead). In Sergios case, as this Picture illustrates, His Left Wrist looks Flat to me, with a 10-2-D Grip. I guess at the 10-2-D grip because his Clubface is facing the Plane Line when his Left Wrist is Flat. I’m saying that His Clubface is (in dummied down Golf vernacular) square to the Ball. If that’s true, then he won’t need to Swivel into Impact (he only needs the Pivot to Roll the #3). He is using Simultaneous Release (Right hand Paddlewheel). Additionally, I have been trying (but failed) to say that he cannot unCock and Roll on the same Planeline if he tries to Sequence the Release.
Sergio is Swinging only because his is not using Right Arm Thrust. Sergio also Cocks Both Wrists.
If someone can put all of this together, like I have (misguided perhaps), then it becomes clear that Sergio is 10-2-D, Angle Hinging, Controlled Throwaway Swinger, 165 pounds, wins Millions, and gets all the Girls.
First of all . . . NEVER pay any attention to Mike O . . . he's an opportunist pot stirring probably pot smoking sitting on the pot nymrod perverted cow tipping mouth breathing corner rocking retard. He could careless about this thread and is only chucking molotov cocktails in our little romper room. That's first . . . .
SECOND . . . you have latched on to it . . . the book is written based on 10-2-B assumptions . . . his grip is 10-2-D . . . .he is in fact throwing the clubface at the ball. With 10-2-D . . . NEVER NEVER NEVER any rolling until after impact
10-2-D . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impac
THIRD . . . . I see absolutely NO evidence of throwaway in his motion.
Bucket, I humbly agree. I've played with 15 year old kids that beat me. But wait, one more try? How about 2 retired female High School literature teachers and they have to give us 2 strokes a side?
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