First of all . . . NEVER pay any attention to Mike O . . . he's an opportunist pot stirring probably pot smoking sitting on the pot nymrod perverted cow tipping mouth breathing corner rocking retard. He could careless about this thread and is only chucking molotov cocktails in our little romper room. That's first . . . .
SECOND . . . you have latched on to it . . . the book is written based on 10-2-B assumptions . . . his grip is 10-2-D . . . .he is in fact throwing the clubface at the ball. With 10-2-D . . . NEVER NEVER NEVER any rolling until after impact
10-2-D . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impac
THIRD . . . . I see absolutely NO evidence of throwaway in his motion.
Dear Mr. Bucket,
I think that Mike O has presented a very good point. He is insightful.
With all due respect and admiration for you, the fact that you “see absolutely NO evidence of throwaway in his motion”, suggests that you need vision corrections. Not only have you failed to capture the obvious, but lack the faculty to comprehend that the mere definition of 10-2-D with Angled Hinge, Simultaneous Release Motion and CF is - [Controlled Clubhead Throwaway].
Respectfully and Humbly Yours,
Daryl
PS. We'll get pretty Nuns. Italian ones. Beer Drinking Nuns.
. . . you have latched on to it . . . the book is written based on 10-2-B assumptions . . . his grip is 10-2-D . . . .he is in fact throwing the clubface at the ball. With 10-2-D . . . NEVER NEVER NEVER any rolling until after impact
I considered this (10-2-B versus 10-2-D). ...but I experienced a gonad misfiring and did not want to risk a turn in the grinder! At least I kept up with the topic, an improvement for me.
Messing around with a 10-2-D I find it almost irresistable not to roll it! I did discover the low flying spinning (like a drunk on a mechanical bull) wedge shot ala Lee Buck! I love the simplicity of a single action.
. . . you have latched on to it . . . the book is written based on 10-2-B assumptions . . . his grip is 10-2-D . . . .he is in fact throwing the clubface at the ball. With 10-2-D . . . NEVER NEVER NEVER any rolling until after impact
I considered this (10-2-B versus 10-2-D). ...but I experienced a gonad misfiring and did not want to risk a turn in the grinder! At least I kept up with the topic, an improvement for me.
Messing around with a 10-2-D I find it almost irresistible not to roll it! I did discover the low flying spinning (like a drunk on a mechanical bull) wedge shot ala Lee Buck! I love the simplicity of a single action.
okie,
I might be slammed for saying this, but Sergio doesn't Angle Hinge. I don't think he "Hinges" like we at "TGM Central" define Hinging. He creates the Primary Lever as evidenced in the Photo of his Release. He throws the Clubface at the Ball and he Bends his Left Wrist immediately after (and during) Impact. Like Yoda says, ( but not as eloquently for sure ), his Bent Left Wrist and Flat Right Wrist after Impact (see post #22) is evidence of the process of getting there (I haven't heard Yoda say that about anyone in particular, including Sergio). He has a little Swinging from the Wrists thrown in with everything else he does.
You have an irresistible tendency to Roll, as your comment suggests. Because you have been taught to and you have learned to and you understand Uncocking and Rolling. It is now inherent in your WAY. It's not Sergio's WAY. He feels very confident, and the money proves it to him, that he knows the Secret of Golf.
PS. Single Action is for Hitters. Do you use a Pink Ball?
Stop it about the 33 second mark (hands right thigh high) and compare it to Sergio above . . . there is 3 feet difference in those two club heads . . . hands are different . . . hip slides are different . . . axis tilts are different . . .
I reviewed the Video. He does not Cock his Right Wrist nor does he Cock his Right Hand (Cocking Right Hand = Roll at Top Position). He Hinges. Is he TGM???? Where did he learn that? Too bad about his use of 10-18-C and Angled Hinge. BUCKET, He uses Simultaneous Release, not Sequenced!! Don't Be faked out. WATCH HIS RIGHT HAND MOTION FROM RELEASE THRU IMPACT. Paddlewheel; no swivel. Stop Drinking.
I think that Mike O has presented a very good point. He is insightful.
With all due respect and admiration for you, the fact that you “see absolutely NO evidence of throwaway in his motion”, suggests that you need vision corrections. Not only have you failed to capture the obvious, but lack the faculty to comprehend that the mere definition of 10-2-D with Angled Hinge, Simultaneous Release Motion and CF is - [Controlled Clubhead Throwaway].
Respectfully and Humbly Yours,
Daryl
PS. We'll get pretty Nuns. Italian ones. Beer Drinking Nuns.
You find us some crack smoking nuns and I'm all over it . . .
Dude . . . I think what we have here is failure to communicate . . . . let's define something . . .
What to you is CLUBHEAD THROWAWAY???
To me if the club stays in-line with your left arm . . . it don't matter what your grip looks like . . . it ain't no throwaway.
So you are telling me that if anybody on the planet has a turned grip and uses angled hinging . . . they are throwing it away??? So Lee Buck was a throw away artist???
4-D-1 THE FLAT LEFT WRIST
All Wrist positions and motion may remain correct until the Release, where, for a variety of misconceptions the Right Wrist is allowed to Flatten. Any loss in Impact Fix Right Wrist Bend during Release immediately becomes Left Wrist Bend – Clubhead Throwaway. Which starts the Club swinging form the Wrists – in an “inside” and “upward” motion – the Clubface is rapidly Closing and the Clubshaft becomes “in-line” with the Right Forearm instead of the Left Arm.
There's no way through the line of compression Sergio Garcia doesn't satisfy the conditions of the Flail. It don't happen.
I got a feeling you could find us some crack smokin' nuns in a matter of minutes.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 01-23-2008 at 05:01 PM.
I reviewed the Video. He does not Cock his Right Wrist nor does he Cock his Right Hand (Cocking Right Hand = Roll at Top Position). He Hinges. Is he TGM???? Where did he learn that? Too bad about his use of 10-18-C and Angled Hinge. BUCKET, He uses Simultaneous Release, not Sequenced!! Don't Be faked out. WATCH HIS RIGHT HAND MOTION FROM RELEASE THRU IMPACT. Paddlewheel; no swivel. Stop Drinking.
I never said he used sequenced release . . . I put him up to compare to Sergio because they both got a turned left hand . . . neither one of 'em uses Sequenced because if they did they'd hook it to where the elephants go to die . . . . DEEEEEEEP in the woods.
This was to illustrate the releative dynamics of the two swings . . . Sergio maximizes physics trigger delay . . . the thing to look at is the respective axis titls and HOW MUCH HIGER SERGIO'S CLUB IS OFF THE GROUND WHEN HIS HANDS START GETTING TOWARD HIS RIGHT THIGH . . . . Sweepy versus Steepy
2-C-3 . . . "Sweeping the Ball" describes the procedure - come in Low and stay Low - which is an out and out Steering type Throwaway with a long Low Point Line - a flat spot in the Clubhead Orbit. .
Zach doesn't throw it away for sure . . . but he has NO SWIVEL back up the plane he's just draggggggging his hands back up plane. Watch how long is left arm stays straight.
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Aloha Mr. Hand
Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand
Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 01-23-2008 at 05:05 PM.
Be sure to bring centrifugal force along with your wallet!
Just kidding! I am actually a swinger. I will go as far as to say I even indulge in pure swinging on occassion (I know the exact ball location for my driver!) However, understanding the seperate identities of hitting and swinging has been game altering! I have added dozens of shots to my quiver of tricks.
I succumb to the allure of hitting the closer I get to the hole. Given my recent drooling about push basic putting it is no surprise that I have a soft spot in my heart for the # 1 Acc. Afterall it is # 1! I guess I do not have the intestinal fortitude to hit swinging chips etc. I tend to fight with Captain CF and botch low point. Like many people, abandoned by gypsy parents to be raised by Mongolian sherpas in the footthills of the Himalayas, I have trust issues! So like many people I hit when I feel like hitting and swing when I feel like swinging! With a longer lever in my hand I fall in love with # 2 and his misunderstood partner in sublime crime, # 3. Aren't I special! So consider me an emmissary of peace, sent to bridge the gap between those that trust invisible forces and those that ARE the force!
Be sure to bring centrifugal force along with your wallet!
Just kidding! I am actually a swinger. I will go as far as to say I even indulge in pure swinging on occassion (I know the exact ball location for my driver!) However, understanding the seperate identities of hitting and swinging has been game altering! I have added dozens of shots to my quiver of tricks.
I succumb to the allure of hitting the closer I get to the hole. Given my recent drooling about push basic putting it is no surprise that I have a soft spot in my heart for the # 1 Acc. Afterall it is # 1! I guess I do not have the intestinal fortitude to hit swinging chips etc. I tend to fight with Captain CF and botch low point. Like many people, abandoned by gypsy parents to be raised by Mongolian sherpas in the footthills of the Himalayas, I have trust issues! So like many people I hit when I feel like hitting and swing when I feel like swinging! With a longer lever in my hand I fall in love with # 2 and his misunderstood partner in sublime crime, # 3. Aren't I special! So consider me an emmissary of peace, sent to bridge the gap between those that trust invisible forces and those that ARE the force!
Okie,
I haven't had the chance to refine my hitting motion, but I will throw a few "hits" in a round as needed. I also tend to "hit" my shorter shots and have "hit" some really good bunker shots from 50 to 150 yards out. I think I get more solid contact out of those "dreaded bunker distances" by not using a lot of pivot motion. Simply a stable lower body, lots of extensor action (with a hovering clubhead so I KNOW I'm not gonna "fat it") a RFT and a "crossline angled hinging thrust" back to the ball.
Don't know that I'll ever move totally to the hitters side of the fence, but I think a deep understanding of how to do it yields great dividends.
Be sure to bring centrifugal force along with your wallet!
Just kidding! I am actually a swinger. I will go as far as to say I even indulge in pure swinging on occassion (I know the exact ball location for my driver!) However, understanding the seperate identities of hitting and swinging has been game altering! I have added dozens of shots to my quiver of tricks.
I succumb to the allure of hitting the closer I get to the hole. Given my recent drooling about push basic putting it is no surprise that I have a soft spot in my heart for the # 1 Acc. Afterall it is # 1! I guess I do not have the intestinal fortitude to hit swinging chips etc. I tend to fight with Captain CF and botch low point. Like many people, abandoned by gypsy parents to be raised by Mongolian sherpas in the footthills of the Himalayas, I have trust issues! So like many people I hit when I feel like hitting and swing when I feel like swinging! With a longer lever in my hand I fall in love with # 2 and his misunderstood partner in sublime crime, # 3. Aren't I special! So consider me an emmissary of peace, sent to bridge the gap between those that trust invisible forces and those that ARE the force!
This Post needs to be cataloged. It's poetic. It's point on target, and easy to understand and digest. Artful and thoughtful, simultaneously.
You find us some crack smoking nuns and I'm all over it . . .
Dude . . . I think what we have here is failure to communicate . . . . let's define something . . .
What to you is CLUBHEAD THROWAWAY???
To me if the club stays in-line with your left arm . . . it don't matter what your grip looks like . . . it ain't no throwaway.
So you are telling me that if anybody on the planet has a turned grip and uses angled hinging . . . they are throwing it away??? So Lee Buck was a throw away artist???
4-D-1 THE FLAT LEFT WRIST
All Wrist positions and motion may remain correct until the Release, where, for a variety of misconceptions the Right Wrist is allowed to Flatten. Any loss in Impact Fix Right Wrist Bend during Release immediately becomes Left Wrist Bend – Clubhead Throwaway. Which starts the Club swinging form the Wrists – in an “inside” and “upward” motion – the Clubface is rapidly Closing and the Clubshaft becomes “in-line” with the Right Forearm instead of the Left Arm.
There's no way through the line of compression Sergio Garcia doesn't satisfy the conditions of the Flail. It don't happen.
I got a feeling you could find us some crack smokin' nuns in a matter of minutes.
"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he could not have been concealed in the room, as there is no concealment possible. When, then, did he come?"
Dear Mr. Watson,
We agree on the Definition of Clubhead Throwaway. However, you are under the mistaken belief that if his Left Wrist looks Flat and Primary Lever looks intact at the point of impact then he passes the acid test for clubhead Throwaway and may collect $200.00 and pass Go and not go to Jail. I, on the other hand, believe that if his Clubshaft becomes inline with his Right Forearm at any time before or immediately following impact that he exhibits the illness “Clubhead Throwaway”. His swing includes the Process of Throwing The Clubhead Away. I simply point out that the Ball got in the way before too much damage was done. Hense: “Controlled Clubhead Throwaway”. Furthermore, and this is an important concept, If he throws the clubhead away, he has not used a Hinge. Hmm? Fry that.
Post #23, Line #1 “Here's sequenced release for sure . . .” Came from your computer. So whether you said it or not, your computer communicated that comment to the Servers at LBG and the Servers at LBG included this statement in the Thread you wrote. Watch your back. I don’t trust computers.
PS. Pretty Italian Catholic Nuns, Drink beer and play Golf with Bucket and Daryl. Daryl and Bucket take advantage of them because of yardage distance and win Church money. Bucket and Daryl play Golf in High Heat on crappy courses for Eternity. I'd rather lose to the Pros. Please reconsider.
So like many people I hit when I feel like hitting and swing when I feel like swinging! With a longer lever in my hand I fall in love with # 2 and his misunderstood partner in sublime crime, # 3. Aren't I special! So consider me an emmissary of peace, sent to bridge the gap between those that trust invisible forces and those that ARE the force!
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