Several times I have heard Doyle state or pull on your left hip as you come into your aiming point, left hip socket extension. Can you please explain the purpose of this. I have a feeling its about releasing the club after the hands pass the ball.
At times I have the feeling of sliding to get to my aiming point,(hands past the left hip, uncocked) my head does not move. Trying to get the connection between the forward hip press move and left hip extention, when, where & why.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Yoda
Good stuff, Bucket . . .That's exactly what I saw.
Sure helps to let that Left Heel come up, too. Check each photo of these greats. And not a golf-related knee or hip operation in the bunch!
For all the 'modern' Flat Left players, tell me these guys got it wrong.
6-C-2-B ANGULAR ACCELERATION The Clubhead “overtaking” speed is governed by the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum whereby the increased Mass resulting from any extension of the Swing Radius decelerates the hands and unless they are supported by Power Package Thrust (6-B-1) or Throw Out Action (2-K), can result in great loss of Clubhead Speed. Rely on Clubhead Lag to meter out the necessary support for the Primary Lever Assembly. Strictly speaking, any increase in the product of Mass times Velocity is Acceleration whether or not the Speed is changed. But the formula for Kinetic Energy gives Velocity the greater value. And, actually, the acceptable tolerance in the Ball-to-Clubhead weight ratio is quite small.
Ben Doyle practices - what I can only describe as - Hip Action to Thrust the Power Package to Overcome COAM.
This Hip Action occurs at the end of the Sit Down. He can feel the increased Drag on the Power Package when the Clubhead begins to throwout into its own orbit and the Power Package slows. He uses a hard turn with his Left Hip to prevent the Hands from slowing during the Release Interval.
This procedure adds Mass to the Clubhead. So,its an Accelerating Force.
Move into the Sit down fairly quickly from the Top of the Swing to establish a greater amount of Left Hip/Left Shoulder Tension. As COAM occurs (or as the Power Package slows because of the Sit-down), an easing of the tension will be felt; and at this point, only by accelerating the Hip Turn, can you sustain the original Tension.
In other words, he sets up the Action with a Quick Start-down with very dead hands.
One way to learn this, is to position your Hands and Club at your Release Point - with your Hips Square to the Target Line - stay there motionless for a second - then, using Dead Hands, power the Power Package through Impact using only a Hip Turn. As that motion gets perfected, move to longer Strokes.
Several times I have heard Doyle state or pull on your left hip as you come into your aiming point, left hip socket extension. Can you please explain the purpose of this. I have a feeling its about releasing the club after the hands pass the ball.
At times I have the feeling of sliding to get to my aiming point,(hands past the left hip, uncocked) my head does not move. Trying to get the connection between the forward hip press move and left hip extention, when, where & why.
Thanks
Go stick your head on a wall or in a door jamb . . . bend at your hips I mean really bend. Find out where the hip sockets actually are. Once you got that lay a shaft or a dowel or something right on the sockets. Make your backstroke pivot sloooooow. Note what happens as your turn your hips and keep your head stable . . . On the backstroke generally you're going to feel the right hip joint "extend" and the left one "flex". Now do the backstroke again focus on your hip and right knee joint. Do the back stroke and DON'T allow your right knee to extend or your right hip socket to extend . . . pay attention to the difficulty or ease of keeping your head in place and notice the range of motion you have. Now do the opposite . . . extend the knee and the right hip socket . . . what happens? Which one is easier?
Now do the same thing coming thru . . . . come down and pose impact . . . . you'll likely find/feel that your right hip socket is "flex" again to the level it was at address. Now as you slide your hips forward keeping your head on the wall . . . notice what your hip joints are doing . . . experiment with what allows your hips to go forward and turn the most paying attention to the hip sockets and left knee as well as your spine.
Do the thru swing and maintain the flex in your left knee . . . what does the range of motion result in? Can you keep turning? What happens to your hip sockets? Allow it to straighten . . . what happens to the range of motion? Can you extend the hip socket more?
Your limbs are a complicated apparatus . . . really focus on what they are doing . . . with regards to your pivot paying particular attention to the knees hips and spine.
here's an interesting study for you . . . Does Doyle do what he suggests? Have a look at the position of his hips and the amount of extention in the left hip (both hips really)? Look at where his right butt cheek is . . . . LOOK AT THE CLUBFACE!!! Compared to Hogan . . . Who's extending the socket the most? Who's hips are turned the most? Who's hips are more forward? Who's left knee extends the fastest? Who's head is moving back to create axis tilt? Who's head steady and is getting axis tilt by moving the hips forward?
Another observation . . . . People observe that Hogan "held the angle" more than anyone . . . YOU TELL ME WHO'S DOING THE HOLDING HERE?
Frame #3 in Doyles deal was my first introduction to the Golfing Machine . . . I tried to get that . . . achieved it . . . it has been without question THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO MY GOLF GAME . . . if someone tries to get you to get that much trigger delay . . . run like you hear banjo music . . . it did something unseemly to my game . . . I still can't get it out of my system even thoug I know it's wrong. You face has to do sooooo much you can hit the golf ball anywhere and I MEAN ANYWHERE.
compare Doyles frame #3 to the second pic of Hogan at a similar point in the stroke . . . if Doyle had taught Hogan to look like frame #3 . . . . he'd have never gotten outta the caddy yard. True DEATH MOVE. Notice how Doyles head is tilting back and his left arm gets all t-rex shrunk up . . . it has too . . . if he doesn't shrink up his radius the club is going to crash into the ground behind the ball. Doyle is not releasing any of the accumulators starting with #4 . . . he's getting to the ball by tilting his shoulders backwards . . . Accumulators RELEASE . . ACCUMULATORS RELEASE . . . see Hogan . . . . Hogan set a bunch of angle . . . and he RELEASED IT . . . somebody else is HOLDING ON . . . it's RELEASE 4-1-2-3 . . . not hold #4 hold #1 tilt back and flash #2 and flash #3.
LOOK AT THE FACE HERE!!!! IT'S LOOKIN AT THE FREAKIN GROUND!!!!!! His supporters will say "Awww come in he was 70 years old and he hit that ball a little fat." UH NO SIR . . . he may be 70 but he was strong enough in his hands to hang on to #2 with the club parallel to the ground with his hands mid body . . . this is what HAS TO HAPPEN. BANE OF MY GOLFING EXISTENCE. Sorry to get on my soap box . . . BUT THIS AIN'T THE GOLFING MACHINE!!!! Don't buy it ever.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 05-20-2010 at 11:00 AM.
Thanks - 12 piece, I agree with you as I have had trouble acomplishing this. The only thing that works is the left hip extension after impact. Tiger did talk about extending his left knee as fast as he could in his book "How I play Golf" but this thought does not help me, extension is an after thought after impact. Trying to connect pivot into impact postion to create additional distance.
I'm hitting irons farther when compared to my driver and wanting to find a little more distance. Example - 7 iron 160yards and driver 240 in the air.
Any thoughts on wiping the wall with your left hip.
Thanks - 12 piece, I agree with you as I have had trouble acomplishing this. The only thing that works is the left hip extension after impact. Tiger did talk about extending his left knee as fast as he could in his book "How I play Golf" but this thought does not help me, extension is an after thought after impact. Trying to connect pivot into impact postion to create additional distance.
I'm hitting irons farther when compared to my driver and wanting to find a little more distance. Example - 7 iron 160yards and driver 240 in the air.
Any thoughts on wiping the wall with your left hip.
I really like that wall wiping deal . . . great image I think . . . I like it with the wall behind and head on the wall infront . . . good stuff IMO. Hips pull the right leg "straight" . . . Hockey stop . . . Not sure I like what the dude's arms and head do after impact . . . but pretty much nails the down to impact part IMO. Like it. From there the lead knee extends hips keep turning and extending from hip joints.
Hard to say on the driver . . . could be an equipment thing . . . could be a loft thing . . . ball position thing. hard to say there without seeing/knowing.
What Ben does works because of his grip. If you dont have a stronger left hand, I agree with your view - forget it - but if you do, you can add some serious mass to impact with that angle, and that hip motion.
His move is based on a grip taken 'naturally' at impact fix. His impact fix, the way the left hand hangs down to align the left arm wedge, and the right arm wedge.
I don't debate the usefulness of describing a F/L/V left wrist for many, but some may benefit from looking at things from the left arm wedge. That is what Ben is doing IMO.
Not saying that is good/bad, the way to do it, just that is what I see in his move.
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