Active pivot versus reactive pivot

[12 piece bucket]

Hey Bucket, those are great Pics.

I doubt that Ben Doyle ever hit a Shot Fat. The King of Snap Release. Someone should make a Movie about him.

Ben Hogan is the greatest Golfer to have ever lived.

Doing that Maximum Trigger Delay garbage made me the king of the snap too . . . snap of a different variety.

Sorry boss . . . I'm sure you had a fine lesson . . . I'm sure he can hit the golf ball and compress it . . . but IMO . . . those pictures don't do the Machine justice as I see it . . . and there are many many many better mouse traps than doing it that way . . . unless of course you're into hittin' it really low and don't care where it goes.

[O.B.Left]

It sure doesnt look like Horizontal to these eyes. Nor any other HInge Action.

[Daryl]

D . . . .you of all people . . . who have been labled a "book literalist" at other less than amiable places on the net . . . you my friend a traditionalist . . . are defending that motion from a "purest" standpoint. I got the tapes . . . I've seen it. You tell me where that motion gets checks on 1-L.

The Machine is about uniform centered predictable motion . . . I ain't seeing it here . . .

Your eye's don't lie and I can't defend his motion with 1-L unless certain allowances are made. But he would tell you that the Head can be moved by the Pivot (with exceptions) but the Pivot should not be moved by the Head.

I only had a glimpse of him. But, I saw a guy with a "commanding" control of the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface.


You're not going to get a Snap Release on an Elbow Plane.

[KevCarter]

Your eye's don't lie and I can't defend his motion with 1-L unless certain allowances are made. But he would tell you that the Head can be moved by the Pivot (with exceptions) but the Pivot should not be moved by the Head.

I only had a glimpse of him. But, I saw a guy with a "commanding" control of the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface.


You're not going to get a Snap Release on an Elbow Plane.

I would never be critical of a teacher as respected as Mr. Doyle. Obviously, Mr. Doyle knows G.O.L.F. and has helped MANY people learn to play, and play great, but to me, the pictures below are what the G.O.L.F. Machine looks like.

Some call us those "Damn Tripoders." Oh well, we can't save everybody...

Kevin

[12 piece bucket]

Your eye's don't lie and I can't defend his motion with 1-L unless certain allowances are made. But he would tell you that the Head can be moved by the Pivot (with exceptions) but the Pivot should not be moved by the Head.

I only had a glimpse of him. But, I saw a guy with a "commanding" control of the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface.


You're not going to get a Snap Release on an Elbow Plane.

I don't know mang . . . . I'll give you that he has command of the clubHEAD . . . . but not the shaft and face. I mean D . . . you can't tell me that's a Hinge Motion . . . we could debate Plane . . . but there's no debate on hinging . . . and it is a hinge motion on an inclined plane no?

If that's a snap release . . . . I don't want one . . . that dude's video is still playing havoc with my game.

Question: Why would you want to have that much #2 left when your hands are basically on your left thigh? He may be really good at that but he HAS TO tilt back and shrink his left arm to do it. Most people are going to have trouble with that much range of motion left that late. Too steep too accute too much overlap.









Clubface to the ground . . . . Clubface to the ground . . . . lookin' like fool with your clubface to the ground. Between these two ole girls . . . . I KNOW who I'm gonna ask to the dance.

[12 piece bucket]

I would never be critical of a teacher as respected as Mr. Doyle. Obviously, Mr. Doyle knows G.O.L.F. and has helped MANY people learn to play, and play great, but to me, the pictures below are what the G.O.L.F. Machine looks like.

Some call us those "Damn Tripoders." Oh well, we can't save everybody...

Kevin

Kev . . . you're in the biz so I understand your position here . . . I ain't so I choose to speak my mind. Mr. Doyle was my intro to the Machine. I did EVERYTHING in that video . . . I video taped my stuff to see if I could get my motion to look like that . . . accomplished it . . . looked like that but the ball went EVERYWHERE. I grinded on those moves . . . imbedded that stuff in my neuro-pathways or whatever that crap is . . . still won't go away . . . You can hit some good shots doing that . . . but you stand on the tee just wondering when the snake is gonna bite you. Not a good way to play golf.

Control the face . . . control the ball . . . control the game . . . No chance with this.

[KevCarter]

Kev . . . you're in the biz so I understand your position here . . . I ain't so I choose to speak my mind. Mr. Doyle was my intro to the Machine. I did EVERYTHING in that video . . . I video taped my stuff to see if I could get my motion to look like that . . . accomplished it . . . looked like that but the ball went EVERYWHERE. I grinded on those moves . . . imbedded that stuff in my neuro-pathways or whatever that crap is . . . still won't go away . . . You can hit some good shots doing that . . . but you stand on the tee just wondering when the snake is gonna bite you. Not a good way to play golf.

Control the face . . . control the ball . . . control the game . . . No chance with this.

Hey Bucket,

My post was in no way related to anything you have posted, simply a personal thought...

I love that you express what you really feel, and I continually learn from you. You have no idea how much your presence has influenced me. HUGE!

Thanks Man!
Kevin

[Daryl]

I don't know mang . . . . I'll give you that he has command of the clubHEAD . . . . but not the shaft and face. I mean D . . . you can't tell me that's a Hinge Motion . . . we could debate Plane . . . but there's no debate on hinging . . . and it is a hinge motion on an inclined plane no?

He's Right Arm Swinging. The Hinge Pin is his Right Elbow.

If that's a snap release . . . . I don't want one . . . that dude's video is still playing havoc with my game.

He Cocks his Right Wrist. It looks like a Snap Release. Technically, it's not a Snap Release because his Right Wrist begins to Uncock during his Downstroke.

Question: Why would you want to have that much #2 left when your hands are basically on your left thigh? He may be really good at that but he HAS TO tilt back and shrink his left arm to do it. Most people are going to have trouble with that much range of motion left that late. Too steep too accute too much overlap.

He has no need for a Left Arm except to Pull his Right Elbow as far Forward as possible. His Tilt and Left arm serve to get his Right Elbow to the Ball.

Note that if he were a Left Arm Swinger, he would be playing his Ball Forward of Low Point. Do you think he needs a Shut Clubface?

[O.B.Left]

TGM is complex and worse still obtuse. Being the first Authorized Instructor wasnt easy Id imagine. In the end lets throw him a mulligan and applaud his many many contributions. But in the mean time, this is a discussion that needs to happen. Many people new to TGM see that over roll and ask just these sorts of questions.

Ironic wasnt it that it was Mr Doyle who was standing behind Mr Blake in the smash hit Finish Swivel video? Lynn is not one to correct the errors of others......Lord knows he'd need a lot of time, specially around here with some of my doozers, but......is this an ironic bit of happen stance or a gentleman's polite submission to the contrary and for the record? We'll never know. Doesnt matter I guess.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html

12-3-0 pt 22 "DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP" emphasizes "ROLL" but it does not mean that "more is better". Its a geometry problem with a geometric answer.

[12 piece bucket]

You have no idea how much your presence has influenced me.

Are you crazy man! There are certain people LURKING . . .

Dangerous . . . . build a secret bunker . . . enter the witness protection program . . . hide the wife, kids, dawg, cat, livestock, tighty whiteez, cheetoz and peanut butter . . . by all means . . . protect yourself and take this down for your own safety.