I have no problem differentiating clubhead movement from clubface movement (due to angled hinging).
I am interested in knowing whether the hitter's crossline thrust translates into a different clubhead movement through impact (compared to a swinger who doesn't use a crossline thrust action). You say not. Thank you for your opinion.
Either type of swing should approach on the alternate target line; one uses the arc of approach the other the angle of approach.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
I have no problem differentiating clubhead movement from clubface movement (due to angled hinging).
I am interested in knowing whether the hitter's crossline thrust translates into a different clubhead movement through impact (compared to a swinger who doesn't use a crossline thrust action). You say not. Thank you for your opinion.
Jeff.
Jeff this is a very popular "opinion". Debating this will be like debating a statement such as "Arnie tried to straighten his right arm through the ball".
Either type of swing should approach on the alternate target line; one uses the arc of approach the other the angle of approach.
I can see that the alternate target lines (arc vs angle of approach) are similar on the approach. But what happens after low point? And per this thread, what is the effect on divot direction?
If using the angle of approach procedure, the clubhead continues to cover the alternate target line out to right field - "above" rather than "on" the original inclined plane. This is well described in another thread http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5145.
By comparison, I believe the swingers arc of approach procedure has the clubhead remaining on the original inclined plane prior to and after low point.
Based on the above, I would imagine that divot direction for the "cross line" hit would be out to right field in comparison to an "on line" swing.
After low point, if the club is on plane, the club head moves back to the inside again (in a perfect swing). A hitters divot should be pointing right using the angle of approach and assuming he/she did not manipulate the face closed to cause the divot to point straight or left. The closer to low point and longer the club the less the divot points right.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
After low point, if the club is on plane, the club head moves back to the inside again (in a perfect swing). A hitters divot should be pointing right using the angle of approach and assuming he/she did not manipulate the face closed to cause the divot to point straight or left. The closer to low point and longer the club the less the divot points right.
I think it is easier to understand things when they are simplified:
Imagine both a Hitter and an Swinger performing a stroke with a club without a clubhead (ie a Dowel).
Because either Hitting or Swinging you trace the straight plane line, you end up with your shaft digging into the ground and leaving a straight line.
Picture a circular saw cutting into a piece of wood: the tooth of the saw move in a circle, yes.
But it won't cut a curve in the wood! It will cut it straight!
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The closer to low point and longer the club the less the divot points right.
It shouldn't because low point is always in front of your right shoulder.
Using a wedge, the ball is simply placed up plane but you still go to low point. The result: a bigger and deeped divot than with a 3 iron but with the same low point.
You don't play a 3 iron and wedge at the same location relative to low point.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
You don't play a 3 iron and wedge at the same location relative to low point.
Mmm, sorry Augusta but I don't get what you mean by "same location relative to low point"
Say you play your driver at low point with the ball on the ground. Result: zero divot.
Now, with exactly the same motion, place your low point under the ground (and not at ground level as with the driver example) and a wedge replaces the driver.
To be properly contacted, the ball must then be positionned up plane (that is back in you stance and closer to you).
You all know it: Because the motion is on an inclined plane, you will contact the ball first, then the ground down and out to low point.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure G.O.L.F is working like that!
Low point is constant. Ball position moves relative to the constant; therefore you don't get the same divot with a 3 iron and a wedge.
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The closer to low point and longer the club the less the divot points right. It shouldn't because low point is always in front of your right shoulder.
Using a wedge, the ball is simply placed up plane but you still go to low point.
Yes, I'm very aware of what goes where. If you produce the same divot with a 3 iron and a wedge your swing is flawed.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
B. J. Hathaway, G.S.E.B., M.C.I.
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