Hi guys! Guys, Really concentrating on a still head and loose hands and have been watching a lot of Martin Chuck. I have used his and the Moe Norman vids to realize my left hip must be my left hand for all purposes. Loose hands allow the left wrist to remain flat and the Pressure points-ALL OF THEM-to be fully loaded. And oh yeah, the ball doesn't think of going left! Ball flight has nice trajectory! I'm thinking a stiffer shaft and heavier club might give me more distance .
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Quivering with anticipation for an answer from the gang1
Last week I crushed a 260 yard drive and sadly several 100 yard sand wedges over greens on my way to an 89 for the year's first round of the year.
Each time, from Impact Fix, I thought I had mistakenly thrown the club away by pushing my right hand away from my right shoulder. Otherwise, I just fired my back elbow at the inside of the ball.
Is this "drawing the arrow from the quiver?"
Is this what Lynn is speaking about here?
19. Lag Loading – C – Drag
Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L) Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at pressure Point #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for the Short Shot Power.
Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action” (to the Desired Hand speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downsroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (or Pull 10-3-D) a swinging club Down Plane – even with only centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K)See 10- 23-C
For Clubhead Throwaway Prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and the Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.
Is this why those swings were an extra 20-30 yards further, in your opinion? If I were to pull an arrow from my quiver, I would be pushing my right arm away from my head causing an "equal and opposite reaction" correctly shifting my hips before turning them with wedges leading the way correctly. All my "quiver" shots were dead at the flag or dead down the middle.
Am I just down, forward and "out" of my mind? ; >
Thanks!
ICT
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Re: Swingers downswing
Originally Posted by wanole
"10-1 9-C "Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the "Swinger," an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path . . . " [p. 195, 6th Edition]."
Can we talk more about this. I have trouble understanding exactly what this feeling is like.
Your "feel" will be based on the proper execution of the "mechanics".
Will extensor action from the top without uncocking your left wrist put you in this " quiver" like position?
Yes.
I just want to make sure this doesn't create casting.
If you define casting as unintended early release of the left wrist cock, rest easy. Longitudinal acceleration of the club shaft doesn't adversely affect left wrist cock.
If you associate casting with the right shoulder moving around and over the plane angle instead of down plane, that would be associated with the improper execution of the hip turn.
This also means don't pull the butt of the club towards your aiming point right?
In fact, it exactly means to pull the clubshaft down the face of the Plane Angle in a straight line towards your Aiming Point. This Sraight Line Delivery Path (7-23) is Homer's recommended component (10-23-C) for Swinging.
ALso, what does the right shoulder do?
At the Start Down, the Right Shoulder accelerates briefly due to Hip Turn and the resulting Axis Tilt. It then continues to move down the plane angle (2-H) to allow the hands in their correct Impact Alignments to move down the Delivery Path , down through Impact, down through Low Point to reach Follow Through.
I am just trying to understand what I am suppose to be feeling once I do my hip slide to start the downswing.
I hope this helps.
Thanks!!
Thanks for posting
ICT
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Friendly Fire
Originally Posted by Jeff
I can understand the right arm pushing the lever assemblies only as occurring in two ways - the right arm can push against PP#3 and/or PP#1.
I thought that if the right arm pushes against PP#3 using an axe handle technique (radial direction) that it represents hitting. If it represents hitting, then isn't this "right arm pushing the lever assemblies" a power stroke? Why does he call it a trigger? Also, doesn't the push action occur, from a biomechanical perspective, from the active straightening of the right elbow via active right triceps action - which is an active release of PA#1? In other words, how can this "right arm throw" action be a trigger and not a power stroke (due to release of PA#1) if the golfer is hitting.
Jeff,
Of course, as in your quote above, if the golfer is Hitting ("radial acceleration / axe handle technique"), the Right Arm Throw Trigger is prelude to Right Arm Thrust through Impact and does indeed ultimate in a Right Arm Power Stroke. However, my response was to your premise as postulated in your Post # 30 above (which mandated Swinging):
"Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3)."
And this is a Swing -- by your own definition -- with a Right Arm Release Trigger.
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After a minor breakthrough Hitting my last time out for 8 pars on my way to a blustery day 89, I forgot to lock my wrists on the front nine this morning and shot a 48, only 3 pars!
Then the research bubbled out in a moment of clarity.
This is what Lynn said and umm, it really works, A LOT!
Quote:
Are the Frozen Right Wrist and the Locked Left Wrist Hitting procedures? That would definitely be the traditional view. Hitting is all aboutMuscle Power, Thrust and Structure, and the terms 'Frozen' and 'Locked' -- while jarringly hard -- seem right at home in that environment.At the same time, they are at odds with the "soft hands" and"flexible wrists" widely viewed as the Swinger's birthright. So much so, in fact, that to suggest otherwise is revolutionary (if not heretical).
But then Homer Kelley was that kind of guy.
As discussed in my previous post, the term 'Locked' -- Webster:"rendered immovable" -- was slated for Homer's 7th edition. It denotes only that the Left Wrist -- other than in the Standard Adjusted Address(10-9-A) -- is 'Locked' into its Flat condition, i.e., it cannot produce any Horizontal Motion (Bending or Arching). Instead, it can produce onlyVertical Motions (Wristcocking and Uncocking) and Rotational Motions(Turning and Rolling). To that extent, the Left Wrist may be considered 'Unlocked.'This Left Wrist 'Locked' in its Flat condition may be a tough concept for Swingers to handle, but to the extent they deviate from that precision alignment, quoting Homer, "They will pay a price."
The word 'frozen' is probably even more controversial. What could be 'tighter' or 'harder' or more the antithesis of the lyrical Swinging Motion than something that is 'frozen?' So much so, that Homer himself had a hard time applying the term to Swingers early on. But as he came to a full understanding of the importance of the Flying Wedge Alignments and Structure (6-B-3-0-1),his view changed -- I have this discussion on tape -- and he came to believe that the Frozen Right Wrist serves Swingers equally well as Hitters.From the Third Edition's 10-18-0 'General' Section (applying to both Hitters and Swingers):
"...the Right Wrist, if it moves at all, moves in accord with the Left Wrist. Ideally, it should be frozen in its Impact Fix Position --preferably from the Top of the Stroke to well into, or through, the Follow-Through." [Bold by Yoda.]
The term 'frozen' -- Webster: "rendered immobile" -- denotes that the Right Wrist is 'locked' -- that word again -- in its Level and Bent condition. In other words, it cannot produce any Vertical Motion or any Horizontal Motion (other than its Impact Fix Degree of Bend). Instead, it can produce only Rotational Motions (Turn and Roll). To the extent the Right Wrist deviates from that Frozen condition, the Clubface will be misalignedat Impact.
The bottom line is that, as usual, Homer said exactly what he meant in terms that were unmistakably clear. Through Impact, your Left Wrist must be Flat,Level and Vertical, and your Right Wrist must be Bent, Level and Vertical. The best way to achieve this Ideal Impact Alignment is to permit during the Stroke only Left Wrist Vertical and Rotational Motions and Right Wrist Rotational Motions. And the way you do that is to Lock your Left Wrist in its Flat Condition and Freezeyour Right Wrist into its Bent and Level condition early in the Stroke and then maintain those conditions until the end of the Follow-Through.
So what was the result of a Locked set of flying wedges and and on-plane shoulder thrust hmmm?
8 fairways in regulation and 6 greens in regulation, 2 birdie chips and 5 birdie putt chances but missed them all ( I got a little nervous), and settled for 5 pars for a 40!
The Hitting stroke, with Impact Fix staunchly maintained allows for excellent control and power with the right shoulder crushing the ball on plane! I never controlled my ball better and only very slick greens and chips that were too solid (putting chips right through holes!) stopped a better score!
Thanks Lynn!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
After a minor breakthrough Hitting my last time out for 8 pars on my way to a blustery day 89, I forgot to lock my wrists on the front nine this morning and shot a 48, only 3 pars!
Then the research bubbled out in a moment of clarity.
This is what Lynn said and umm, it really works, A LOT!
So what was the result of a Locked set of flying wedges and and on-plane shoulder thrust hmmm?
8 fairways in regulation and 6 greens in regulation, 2 birdie chips and 5 birdie putt chances but missed them all ( I got a little nervous), and settled for 5 pars for a 40!
The Hitting stroke, with Impact Fix staunchly maintained allows for excellent control and power with the right shoulder crushing the ball on plane! I never controlled my ball better and only very slick greens and chips that were too solid (putting chips right through holes!) stopped a better score!
Thanks Lynn!
ICT
Went to the range yesterday and found that I can reverse engineer my swing from my Hitting. Now that Impact Fix is so clear (thanks Lynn), I get where my hands should be at Impact. Stationary Head right shoulder on plane slight drag of the handle to the ball, like an inch of slight drag and the left wrist vertically uncocks and the clubs does all the work. I experimented with the swing and got another 10 yards of carry or so, almost 20 with the driver, but nowhere near the absolute control!
So Hitting is my competitive pattern. Now to build a set of clubs around it! uggestions?
ICT
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Went to the range yesterday and found that I can reverse engineer my swing from my Hitting. Now that Impact Fix is so clear (thanks Lynn), I get where my hands should be at Impact. Stationary Head right shoulder on plane slight drag of the handle to the ball, like an inch of slight drag and the left wrist vertically uncocks and the clubs does all the work. I experimented with the swing and got another 10 yards of carry or so, almost 20 with the driver, but nowhere near the absolute control!
So Hitting is my competitive pattern. Now to build a set of clubs around it! Suggestions?
ICT
This was based on a 100% HCP tournament at the club and my "40" on the back nine! THANKS LYNN, Gerry, Kevin, Daryl, OB and Ben!
A B C
1 LIMEKILN GOLF CLUB
2 LIMEKILN GC
3 BETTER BALL OF PARTNERS
4 SATURDAY, APRIL 7, 2012
5 GIFT CERT.
6 1ST PLACE WALLY BORYSZEWSKI / KEITH POKRZYWA - 59 $15.00
7 2ND PLACE PAT B / JOE BUCKLEY - 61 $12.00
8 2ND PLACE BRIAN MCGILL / TOM LOMAX - 61 $12.00
9 4TH PLACE VADIM KOUROUCHIN / STEVE MILLS - 62 $8.00
10 4TH PLACE PAT B / MILT OTTO - 62 $8.00
11 4TH PLACE JOE BUCKLEY / MILT OTTO - 62
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Hooray for City! Way to go, kid. I love seeing success--especially yours. Good luck this weekend.
Ok, I have my swing ready, uhmm "Hitting Pattern," and the $10 I plundered from the other twosome that day! As he campaigns and raises millions, I am ready to show POTUS a thing or two about "the Chicago Way," in terms of golfing! Just wait 'till we get a hs golf team!
Should I let POTUS win a little so he can sponsor our team?
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Ok, I have my swing ready, uhmm "Hitting Pattern," and the $10 I plundered from the other twosome that day! As he campaigns and raises millions, I am ready to show POTUS a thing or two about "the Chicago Way," in terms of golfing! Just wait 'till we get a hs golf team!
Should I let POTUS win a little so he can sponsor our team?
ICT
Lynn is worth every penny and then some!
was going to buy a new driver at least but I cannot think of why I should put the Adam Red Line 9.5 with the senior shaft away.
I hit 13/13 drives in Regulation and the avg. was almost 240 yards. Would a "hotter" driver help?
8 GIR, 33 puts - 3 birdies. The Paul Runyon putting and putting my chips had me all over the pin so that there was only two 3 putts on "14" stint greens. 5-one putt greens = 2 close chips for gimmies of less than a foot and two 8 footers= and one 40 foot bomb!
My real problem was not believing how solid the Hitting line is so I would fail to take dead aim mostly until the back and then I started pin-hunting. My last 3 nines were 40, 39 and 38.
Impact Fix +RFT + Right shoulder drive to right triceps + Runion techniques = 5 over par! I hit two holes with longish putts that lipped out. Next time-dead aim to the middle of all greens!
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