Full power and accuracy on the range just showing off!
Longitudinal acceleration = straightened right arm just decide on aim point or angle!
Step and straighten the right arm or knee to inner quadrant or bump and straighten the right arm and obliterate the inner quadrant...swinging the ball does frozen rope stuff, hitting the ball takes forever to come down with a fade and "acts a whole lot differently!" Thanks Lynn!
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Mixing components is bad for me at this point. Had a terrible round on Saturday morning at my home course though it didn't start that way. Playing with a relative of one of our foursome who could not get out of the way, driving in front of shots, causing double clutches, playing out of turn, and even questioning the lines of our putts but the challenge helped me concentrate on the front 9 out of sheer anger and I shot a 43 with 2 "7's" back to back and two birdies on a par 35.
What I did well- Steady head, balance, short thumb grip and LEVEL LEFT WRIST and full longitudinal straightening of the right arm. Got my knee through every chip and putted very well.
What I did poorly- Blew up on the back side and with the front 7's just lost my concentration. I forgot to keep my left wrist straight and lost my orientation to the plane! Also I stopped getting chips and putts to a 3-foot circle leaving everything way short. Stupid I also tried to switch between Hitting and Swinging as I lost concentration. I forgot to keep my Hitting club face square to the plane throughout and let my left wrist swivel spraying the ball. Shot a 49 and was upset.
This morning, decided on Swinging first on a course with lots of elevation changes. Shot over all trouble with one extra club. Chipped well, one birdy, had a 41 on the front nine on a par 36. Very happy Level left wrist provided the outside limit of the plane tracing, steady head, left knee lagging up, swivel face to parallel or open to plane, full right arm extension through or right knee slowly through the ball, swivel down squaring to plane.
Second nine was all Hitting. I quickly realized how essential the level left wrist was from Impact Fix and how essential it was to keep the club face square to the plane while using the RFT. I also realized that instead of dipping down in some exaggerated motion, all I need to do is shift the belly button forward, or plant the left heel or raise the right shoulder slightly or..., and straighten the right arm fully. I can start from IMpact Fix, fully straighten the right leg and shift my belly button for another form of swinging, too, ala Mike Austin.
So Hitting from Impact Fix, club face square or slightly closed to the plane, RFT produced almost the same distance and very straight lines feeling like I could aim at any pin. 2 birdies on a par 35, shot a 39 for a total of 80 or 9 over. Trick is to maintain level shoulders firing the right arm or as Lynn says "quiet hands, quiet knees, quiet feet..." Watch the videos and see how TALL Lynn remains while Hitting or Swinging! The level left wrist supports a stationary head with no need to dip down. The legs and fully extended (level left wrist) club form the tripod the head is braced upon.
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Mixing components is bad for me at this point. Had a terrible round on Saturday morning at my home course though it didn't start that way. Playing with a relative of one of our foursome who could not get out of the way, driving in front of shots, causing double clutches, playing out of turn, and even questioning the lines of our putts but the challenge helped me concentrate on the front 9 out of sheer anger and I shot a 43 with 2 "7's" back to back and two birdies on a par 35.
What I did well- Steady head, balance, short thumb grip and LEVEL LEFT WRIST and full longitudinal straightening of the right arm. Got my knee through every chip and putted very well.
What I did poorly- Blew up on the back side and with the front 7's just lost my concentration. I forgot to keep my left wrist straight and lost my orientation to the plane! Also I stopped getting chips and putts to a 3-foot circle leaving everything way short. Stupid I also tried to switch between Hitting and Swinging as I lost concentration. I forgot to keep my Hitting club face square to the plane throughout and let my left wrist swivel spraying the ball. Shot a 49 and was upset.
This morning, decided on Swinging first on a course with lots of elevation changes. Shot over all trouble with one extra club. Chipped well, one birdy, had a 41 on the front nine on a par 36. Very happy Level left wrist provided the outside limit of the plane tracing, steady head, left knee lagging up, swivel face to parallel or open to plane, full right arm extension through or right knee slowly through the ball, swivel down squaring to plane.
Second nine was all Hitting. I quickly realized how essential the level left wrist was from Impact Fix and how essential it was to keep the club face square to the plane while using the RFT. I also realized that instead of dipping down in some exaggerated motion, all I need to do is shift the belly button forward, or plant the left heel or raise the right shoulder slightly or..., and straighten the right arm fully. I can start from IMpact Fix, fully straighten the right leg and shift my belly button for another form of swinging, too, ala Mike Austin.
So Hitting from Impact Fix, club face square or slightly closed to the plane, RFT produced almost the same distance and very straight lines feeling like I could aim at any pin. 2 birdies on a par 35, shot a 39 for a total of 80 or 9 over. Trick is to maintain level shoulders firing the right arm or as Lynn says "quiet hands, quiet knees, quiet feet..." Watch the videos and see how TALL Lynn remains while Hitting or Swinging! The level left wrist supports a stationary head with no need to dip down. The legs and fully extended (level left wrist) club form the tripod the head is braced upon.
Conditions-ground very hard despite big storms last night, ball bounced high and ran forever! I was closer to the greens than ever with lots of unfamiliar shots. Lost $6 in team match. Tied for 3 skins but did not win any!
What I did well- Four over on my first three holes Hitting and so I went to Swinging. Level left wrist, Stationary head in balance. Left knee/right knee to finish with 6 straight pars. Several one putt greens, hit a few pins with a knee/knee chip, lob wedge half way to the stick. "40"
What I did poorly- Thought I could re-establish the Hitting stroke on the back nine and was spraying the ball due to forgetting about the square club-face to plane in a Hit. Ten over on six holes. Hit into lots of traps not respecting the dangers and left lots of sand shots on the green but well short. I need to get a consistent sand routine with a shot that runs at the pin! Parred last three holes going back to swinging. "45"
Sticking with Swinging motion.
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Figuring out similarities with TGM, Bertholy, Moe Norman and Kiran Kanwar
Originally Posted by innercityteacher
Conditions-ground very hard despite big storms last night, ball bounced high and ran forever! I was closer to the greens than ever with lots of unfamiliar shots. Lost $6 in team match. Tied for 3 skins but did not win any!
What I did well- Four over on my first three holes Hitting and so I went to Swinging. Level left wrist, Stationary head in balance. Left knee/right knee to finish with 6 straight pars. Several one putt greens, hit a few pins with a knee/knee chip, lob wedge half way to the stick. "40"
What I did poorly- Thought I could re-establish the Hitting stroke on the back nine and was spraying the ball due to forgetting about the square club-face to plane in a Hit. Ten over on six holes. Hit into lots of traps not respecting the dangers and left lots of sand shots on the green but well short. I need to get a consistent sand routine with a shot that runs at the pin! Parred last three holes going back to swinging. "45"
Sticking with Swinging motion.
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Lynn Blake says more in a 10 minute insight than many people do lecturing for hours! For example, Lynn has said in the forums and videos how much he admires Moe Norman and Paul Bertholy who's methods he's studied.
My interest is in building a sub-par shooting golf technique that I know well enough to use as I wish and can teach others with clarity and integrity.
My lowest score has been a 77 using Flying Wedges, Impact Fix, Covering the club-head path inside, RFT and a "vertical elbow drop" ala Moe Norman. I have been hanging around the low "80's" with my scores unable to reproduce the same 77 or lower BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE WHY OF WHAT LYNN /TGM TEACHES SO CLEARLY!
Using other TGM instructors and other time-tested golfing insights helps me sometimes, understand, unpack, and appropriate Lynn's observations.
Let's take a talented contributor to Lynn Blake Golf and his observation of the merit of Ernest Jones.
I am just starting to understand these things personally. By that I mean I can go to the range, pre-turn and lower my right shoulder, set my club head back along the and covering the Angle of Approach ala Moe Norman and consistently pound the ball down range with added distance using an Angle Hinge and Belly Button shift of the hips. It seems to me as if I get to "Both Arms Straight " much more effectively more often! In TGM, impact is incidental on our way to full extension and full follow through!
Lynn Blake has shown me that TGM is an accurate and effective description of the mechanical elements of the golf swing. He has also shown me a variety of ways to visualize those components with the help of Hogan, Runion, Norman, Bertholy and others. Maybe even Ms. Kiran Kanwar has some golfing insights that reinforce TGM?
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I'm intrigued by the biomecanical aspects of the golf swing, but alas not competent enough to form an opinion. Joe Norwood's golf o'metrics was an interesting read, some of it similar to Angle of Approach procedure for Hitting with specific "alignments" of body parts. Recently I've seen there's a specific approach for putting.
10 HOLES at 1 under !!!!!!!!!!! My first par for 9 holes!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Etzwane
I'm intrigued by the biomecanical aspects of the golf swing, but alas not competent enough to form an opinion. Joe Norwood's golf o'metrics was an interesting read, some of it similar to Angle of Approach procedure for Hitting with specific "alignments" of body parts. Recently I've seen there's a specific approach for putting.
ROCKING HORSE = HULA HULA STATIONARY HEAD FEELING THE LAG WITH THE PRE-FORMED FLYING WEDGES !!!!!!!!!!!
It doesn't get easier than that kids!
Sadly I shot a 44 on the front 9, though I tried to avoid the two 7's on the front by playing every safe shot I could think of, I mean really. The ground was so 'friggin hard that two chips to the middle ran beneath trees on the other side!
My Nike OZ putter with enough marking lines to warm the heart of an air traffic controller, revealed how straight a straight putt can be (sorry Gerry, the Bullseye must rest when fast greens appear in Philadelphia). 6 one putt greens, 2 birdies out of four chances of less than 20 feet, had me thanking Lynn's lessons on the Runyon putting techniques.
I did shank 3 chips on the front 9 with my favorite wedge and just stopped chipping and used my putter from everywhere on the last 10 holes!
Of course, hitting driver- wedge, or driver 9 iron, or driver -hybrid to the middle of every green makes it easy to use the putter from everywhere!
The Minimalist golf swing from Ms. Kiran Kanwar is really a "clap your hands" move emphasizing keeping the right shoulder on plane and back while the right elbow and right forearm return to the plane lower than the left arm at impact. The Bertholy/Moe Norman drills reinforce that position and those insights helped me understand what Lynn meant by Hula Hula!!!
What I did well- Formed my flying wedges and really concentrated on shifting my belly button slowly back and through waiting for the lag! My foursome kept asking how I hit my driver so far and so straight with such a small effort! I also recognized that a putter is highly functional!
What I did poorly- Shanked my chips!!!! UGH! Did I mention I putted out of two bunkers? I need a Yoda of Arabia session or three! I didn't keep my head stationary that well on the first nine holes. I need to TRUST THE ROCKING HORSE !!!
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A "Hall of Fame" LBG post that helped me decode the mystery of a dependable swing.
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The EdZ Drills
Many of you may be familiar with these, as posted previously on other boards. Take the time to experiment with them, you will find much of the discussion of TGM will become quite clear using them as a reference.
Here are a couple drills that may help some of you get the 'feel' of coming from the inside.
First, the feel of the back of the left hand. Feeling that back of the left hand, as if it IS the clubface, is an essential step. Focus on your hands “ swing your hands with your shoulders, as if you had ropes for arms “ the rock on a string.
* Stand at address without a club.
* Put your right hand behind your back
* Put your left hand on your right shoulder
* Make your backswing turn, until your left elbow is behind the ball, over the right knee (this is very important, and a key postion to check)
* Let your left hand 'fall', and feel like you are going to slap the ball with the back of the left hand.
It can help to just let the arm fall, and feel like your body doesn't unwind until the hand pulls it around. Once you get the feel, allow everything to 'flow' together. In a swing, the motion is from the body, but you have to get this feel first.
Important: as you do this, be aware of your left forearm rotating. When you get just past impact, your left palm should be facing 'up', and towards you, on the arc.
Do this same drill, but with a club, just in the left hand.
Then do it with 2 or 3 clubs (or a heavy club) just in your left hand.
The second drill (The EdZ drill).
This one sums up a lot of the swing feels in one drill.
* Stand at address, no club, arms hanging, in balance
* make a fist with your left hand, and point your thumb to your right (away from the the target)
* make a 'V' with your right hand, split your middle and ring fingers, ala 'spock' (live long and prosper) and put that 'V' over the base of your left thumb
Your hands will look like this: -|
(your left and right respectively)
Now just practice 'swinging' back and through, 'let' your hands rotate and feel everything staying in synch with your chest. Keep your hands in the -| relationship going back, and let them rotate through.
Feel your left arm 'line' and plane (like a tailor was measuring you for a jacket)
Feel the right hand/palm staying on plane (basically faces the ball until hip high).
Feel the right wrist bending back to the forearm - the 'tray' feel
Feel the 'throw' of the right hand down the line.
Feel your elbows staying close together.
Feel the 'post' of the right leg - Important: keep the same flex in the right knee!!!
that one thought will really help you. putting a ball under the right foot is a great way to practice and get that 'solid' right leg - very important!
This drill does many things, one if which is give the "swinger's" feel of the left hand, and the "hitter's" feel of the right hand
And for the last drill, for body motion:
'EdZ'drill #2
Get into posture, hands hanging down in front of you, palms facing each other, flat.
Bend both wrists inward (basically 90 degrees), and touch the tips of your middle fingers together, or better, link your fingers together (like you are going to lift someone who would step into your hands)
At this point, your palms are facing up, fingers interlocked, arms hanging down.
Point both thumbs away from you.
Now just slowly swing back and forth, at first, feeling the 'line' on the ground your hands swing on.
As you start to increase the motion, let your forearms roll 90 degrees back, 180 degrees through.
Your elbows will naturally tuck in on your sides as they should.
They will stay the same distance apart, as they should.
They will point down, as they should.
Try this with something heavy in your hands, let it move your body, keeping your palms facing your chest (basically), as you feel the swing motion. Do it again, feeling your body move the arms as a unit.
Swing two clubs, one in each hand, ˜allow' the rotation, and keep them the same distance apart - get the same feel as this drill.
"The Plane" any true swinging force, will swing on plane, so when you really "trust" the swinging force, you don't need to "think" about it much. The best way to understand it, is to use the EdZ drill #1, and 'feel that thumb', and 'see the line' that is the base of the plane. A laser or flashlight on each end of a club should always point at the target line. Imagine a beam of light coming out of the hosel, and grip. The 'wall' of light it produces, is the plane. It goes over the right shoulder on the backswing, over the left shoulder on the throughswing.
Spin the wheel drills:
The best way I can summarize the swing in general is this.....
Use the base of your right hand to extend your left during the entire motion. Width is efficient force. Your right palm should feel as if it is tracing the inside rim of a wheel, the hub is the top of your spine/base of your neck, and your wrists are the other end of the spoke. The hub turns the wheel, as you feel like you are using the palm/base of the right hand to swing/drag the knuckles of your left hand along the inside rim of the wheel. The wheel, and you, should remain in perfect balance. Spin the wheel with your belly. Post impact, allow the forearms to rotate and feel the back of the left hand ride the inside of the rim. Always in balance, always feeling the 'swinging' of the clubhead, always focused on 'target'.
If you are not in balance, you are not swinging well.
Understand this, and understand pressure points.
Think of your entire body as a whip - the downswing starts with the left foot, and the whip action moves up the left leg, through the hips and mid section, down the left arm, to the clubhead - the last piece of the puzzle to 'crack' that whip.
This is LAG. The sequence must be in order, or you have no 'whip'. The shoulders never get ahead of the hips.
Pressure points, are a way of 'feeling' that sequence. On the right forefinger (PP#3), being the easiest to 'get' and monitor for most people.
To understand PP3, think of 'grabbing' the edges of the rim with the thumb and forefinger... pp3 is where the forefinger stays 'on the edge' of the rim and after impact, it switches to the other rim edge - it rotate around the 'point' of rotation
Perhaps it would be more clear to say the 'rotation point' is the 'tip' of "THE" magic triangle.
Try hitting pitch shots, with your right forefinger extended down the side of the shaft. As you swing back, and change direction, notice the 'pressure' on your finger? Great, now 'keep that pressure'. That is lag pressure, one of the foundations of a great swing. Lag and Balance are critical.
If you were to get your shoulders ahead of your hips, you wouldn't have that whip action moving down the rope/body - you would not have any stored energy.
99% of golfers don't move that whip action from the ground up, because they start from the top, and once ANY part is out of order, you don't have lag, you don't have a 'whip'.
The feeling of lag is that the club is 'very heavy'. It is a feeling of 'dragging the back of the left hand. It is the feeling of the ˜stretch' that moves up the left side, through the body, and down to the club.
If you don't feel the 'heavy', 'drag', you are rushing your move from the top, you aren't 'spinning the wheel with the belley'
The best way to start to get this is to hit your 170 club, 100 yards with a full motion. Feel like you 'swing in slow motion', and that the hands 'fall', that the club is 'heavy.
Let gravity help you get the sequence right. You won't believe how smooth, and flowing, and 'heavy' this feels.
Have someone pull the shaft at halfway back, and ˜feel the stretch' on the left side.
A few words on TGM -
To understand the "flying wedges" concept in TGM, read my "EdZ" drills again, and how that relates to the 'riding the rim' image. The drill with the split right hand fingers over the left thumb (hands like this -|). The second one, with fingers interlocked, thumbs pointing away from you as well.
Basically, it is PP#1 that rides the rim, the point where the two lines meet. That is the 'wedge'.
In the second version (fingers interlocked as if you were going to boost someone up - ride the 'outside' of the wheel. The point at the base of the fingers is the 'wedge' that rides the rim (note - THIS is why Moe Norman's swing worked so well, look at his grip, and imagine this 'wedge')
The first gives you more of a 'hitting' feel, the second more of a 'swinging' feel (more rotation).
Watch good players, you'll see it.
Imagine that rim is about as wide as your hand, and 'grab the edges' of the inside of the rim so that your palm is riding the inside of it and your thumb and fingers are on its edge.
The left thumb rides the rim, the right palm rides the rim.
Right wrist straight back on the plane of the rim, and spin that wheel with the body. Forget about the hands once you've set them, just spin the wheel, think TARGET and BALANCE.
You may wish to experiment a bit with your grip when using this image.
The best way to 'get' the image is to grip like this:
Clap your hands in front of you. Your right palm stays facing the target.
Turn your left hand at a 45 degree angle (where a 90 degree turn would put your thumb pointing directly away from the target). This grip is a good variation, more of a 'hitting' action, and less rotation.
With this variation of grip, doing nothing else at address but bending your right wrist straight back on the plane of your right forearm, should then make your left wrist flat, and left thumb facing straight away from the target. From there, keep the spoke straight, and spin the wheel with the belly. You can think of the right forearm as a spoke in the wheel.
In the second version, fingers interlocked - the 'wedge' that rides the rim is where the hands meet each other at the base of the fingers.
The 'thumbs' follow the outside of the rim edges. The 'wedge' follows the middle of the rim.
Just 'past' impact - the entire structure rotates around the 'center' of that 'wedge'.
The 'thumb' side of your wedding ring is the center point of that rotation (where it meets the the middle finger of the right hand).
That 'center point' - MUST ALWAYS FACE THE SAME POINT ON YOUR CHEST
This is what 'being in synch' is all about.
You will then understand how the 'body' moves the arms and hands, and how the 'hands and arms' must provide enough support to stay 'centered'.
This is a 'body release' of the club.
It is 'both' a hands swing feel, AND a body swing feel. Both 'feels' are valid, as long as you keep that point 'centered'.
To further understand this, you can put a shaft in that 'center point' of your fingers, and have the grip end touch your chest./belly.
In terms of efficient force, the 'body' is the main factor.
Feel it in your feet. Feel the ground.
The 'spoke' runs from the spine at the base of the neck, to this 'wedge' point, basically, where your wrists would intersect, or in TGM terms, PP#1 - the point where the base of your right hand, meets the base of the left thumb.
It is the 'tip' of 'the' magic triangle that rides the rim. The left arm is one side of the triangle, the chest another - that angle does not change, or at worst only decreases, never increases, until after inpact.
This image is all about keeping the distance from that 'wedge' point to your chest/base of neck the same - that is the 'spoke'
Arm and body swing work together - to keep the hands and chest in synch. It is 'both' and arm swing, AND a body swing, but if one is to 'win' the argument, it is the body. Getting 'lag' and efficient force - physics is physics.
The best way I find to 'feel' this is to focus on the shoulders and their turn, while holding the butt of the club against your chest/belly and griping down near the clubhead.
Your arms prove 'support', and your body, force.
Practice from both extremes (see some of the EdZ drills)
Feel the hand and arm swing move the body, feel the body move the hands and arms. When you find the mid point, you will be in 'synch'.
Another great way to feel this is to swing a broom. Grip the broom down near the head, and let the handle rest on your left side. Keep the handle on your left side and use the body to swing it back and through.
A broom can be a very good training aid. It can show you the plane line, and that the right wrist bend is on plane with the forearm - and really helps you understand how to turn the body 'through' a shot. In fact I'd bet I can teach someone to swing well using only a broom and a mop!
The mop shows you 'lag' keep the strings of the mop dragging
Once you have 'set' that right wrist back/flat left, the hands and arms are passive. The body moves the triangle through. Your feet provide much of the 'feel' and the power moves up through them - up your left side, through the 'belly', down the left arm, to the club.
Crack that whip. Practice the sequence in slow motion until you can 'feel' the unwinding from the ground up. That 'stretch' that moves all the way up the body and down to the club.
You want to think more about the right wrist back, and the left thumb. When the right wrist is back, and the right hand is used to keep the left arm 'gently' straight, the left hand takes care of itself. (palms facing each other, square clubface 'weak' on both hands grip - trust it - as long as you get that left flat, and keep the right back - ride the rim, allow rotation)
If you are still going right, chances are you aren't getting that left shoulder over the right knee you aren't 'behind the ball'. The 'lever' is the left shoulder, and the arm and club the shoulder must get behind the ball. Thinking of this 'lever' can really help you. Feeling like you hit the ball with the back of the left shoulder is a great feel for you to have. The arms are 'along for the ride', while the hands feel the clubface.
While I don't advocate using it for shots - experiment with the 'feel' of the 'long' left thumb in combination with the flat left wrist.
You will 'feel' the 'karate chop' motion of the left hand (from 45 degrees to the target line) and the 'upper cut' or 'punch' of the right hand and arm (keeping that right wrist back)
Get that right wrist back, left flat - and spin the wheel, punch the target.
Note, in the second drill, fingers interlocked, you want to feel as if the palms ride the 'outside' of the tire, and the two thumbs 'ride the edges of the rim'
Stay balanced - always.
"See" the shot, and then make it happen - a lot like shooting a basketball - you don't 'think' you 'do'.
I think this will help a lot of people. I hope this explanation makes sense, try it.
Let me know what you think, or if you have seen this variation before. I'd like to know if this helps you, and if so, just remember, you saw it here first! - Ed Z.
As a wise being once said....... LET THE FORCE BE 'WITH' YOU - trust it
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Hawaiian Punch
Originally Posted by LSH
Back to the keeping the head still question.
1) Do you find it easier to keep a steady head with a narrower stance?
2) In order to keep the head centered between the feet on the backswing do you find that your right hip turns behind you a little and your left knee bends a little towards the ball? Then on the forward swing the opposite happens and the left hip turns behind you and the right knee bends toward the ball a bit?
Is this the Hula Hula action needed or do I have it wrong?
Steve,
I personally use a wider, not narrower, Stance. But there are no absolutes here: Just not so wide as to unduly restrict the Hip and Shoulder Turns or so narrow as to promote instability.
The Hula Hula Action refers to the ability to shift your Weight (Hip Slide from left to right and back again) while keeping your Head Stationary. This Motion -- followed by a Turn -- causes the Spine to Tilt in the opposite direction of the Slide (in both directions). Don't confuse proper Extensor Action at the Top (stretching out the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder Wobble) for a Spine tilting away from the target. Check out Jones and Hogan for the correct configuration and gain relief from this major misconception.
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Hawaiian Punch
Originally Posted by LSH
Back to the keeping the head still question.
1) Do you find it easier to keep a steady head with a narrower stance?
2) In order to keep the head centered between the feet on the backswing do you find that your right hip turns behind you a little and your left knee bends a little towards the ball? Then on the forward swing the opposite happens and the left hip turns behind you and the right knee bends toward the ball a bit?
Is this the Hula Hula action needed or do I have it wrong?
Steve,
I personally use a wider, not narrower, Stance. But there are no absolutes here: Just not so wide as to unduly restrict the Hip and Shoulder Turns or so narrow as to promote instability.
The Hula Hula Action refers to the ability to shift your Weight (Hip Slide from left to right and back again) while keeping your Head Stationary. This Motion -- followed by a Turn -- causes the Spine to Tilt in the opposite direction of the Slide (in both directions). Don't confuse proper Extensor Action at the Top (stretching out the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder Wobble) for a Spine tilting away from the target. Check out Jones and Hogan for the correct configuration and gain relief from this major misconception.
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What I did poorly- I lost my wedges/Angle Hinge on 3 holes for 9 over! Left several putts short.
What I did well- Found my wedges, kept simple "rocking horse" motion, bought a heavier sand wedge and converted 2 sandies, kept a good putting line, chipped on elbow plane.
84 on a par 71.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
What I did poorly- I lost my wedges/Angle Hinge on 3 holes for 9 over! Left several putts short.
What I did well- Found my wedges, kept simple "rocking horse" motion, bought a heavier sand wedge and converted 2 sandies, kept a good putting line, chipped on elbow plane.
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Dragging Baby Brother
Originally Posted by rgkeller
I don't get the idea of this drill.
The exaggerated bent/arched left wrist through impact, all the pressure points behind the shaft, and the right arm decidedly below the left arm all combine to promote an open clubface and a dead block.
What am I trying to learn with this drill?
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rg,
This drill teaches you to keep your Left Wrist Flat and to deliver Clubhead Lag Pressure through the Ball. These are the two things you absolutely must do to reach your potential as a player. And, make no mistake, each Stroke in the video did both.
Regarding the post-Impact alignments you have observed:
1. In the video, as Mgjordan correctly noted, I am Impacting a heavy Bag with a light stick. The Bag is non-resilient, and its mass is several hundred times greater than that of a Golf Ball. I am Making a Motion, the bottom portion of which has been rudely interrupted by the Bag hitting the stick just as hard as the stick is hitting the Bag. My Left Arm and Wrist have not suffered the same collision. Hence, the stick has been buried in the Bag; my Arms and Hands have continued forward; and the extreme alignments you have observed are simply God's Plan. In fact, for the alignments to be any less extreme, at Impact I would have had to Quit. And that wasn't going to happen!
2. Further, I amTraining with the express purpose of eliminating the Golfer's Public Enemy #1: The Bent Left Wrist through Impact. I am training to take Lag Pressure to Both Arms Straight and beyond. As stated in the video, Impact alignments at a normal Ball Location are irrelevant to my purpose. Also, the Angled Hinge Action (and its Rhythm) of this Hitting Stroke have been stifled by the Impact. For obvious reasons, the Finish Swivel is non-existent.
3. Even so, the Motion is not as exaggerated as you think. While it is obviously a wrench of your concepts -- and those of tens of millions of other golfers as well -- what you see in the video is what the great playersFeel through Impact. And the reason they get such different results than we do is because they get there -- Through the Ball with a Flat Left Wrist -- and we don't. It's as simple as that! All this is good news because you are now standing at The Gateway to your best golf.
Rarely do Players -- even the 'good' Players -- sustain the Clubhead Lag Pressure through Impact. In fact, Lag Pressure Point Pressure is in its greatest jeopardy 3-6 inches before Impact: What should have been a sustained drive to Both Arms Straight becomes a Throw. To be sure, it can be an 'expertly' delivered Throw, but it is a Throw nonetheless. And history's great strikers don't Throw...they Drive! Hitting or Swinging, they Drive. I'll put some photos up soon that will surprise you.
Homer Kelley told us:
"The Clubhead Lag 'lays' into the [Right Forefinger] #3 Pressure Point. The Club doesn't want to go along, but it has to. You don't Throw the Club! It's like dragging your baby brother."
Now, it's up to you. It's one thing to read about a drill. It's another thing to see it done and to ponder its usefulness. But to actually do it and enjoy its benefits -- aah, there's the rub!
"Do or do not. There is no try."
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Apples and Oranges
GPStyles,
That is an astute connection. Many people execute the downswing as a swivel action, as opposed to reaching full extention (both arms straight) and THEN executing the finish swivel. Although Trevino did not execute a finish swivel (as far as I can tell) studying the angle of his right forearm approach allowed me to seperate THE follow through from THE finish. Without a precise followthrough the finish tends to be contrived, off-plane and for show! Once those arms are pulled as taught as guidewires where else can you go but swiveling back on the face of the plane? I have found that if I focus on taking my power package to both arms straight...I swivel. A more important distinction is also seperating hinge action from the finish swivel.
"Every seperate item in the stroke is properly understood only when learned and mastered separately and its seperate identity maintained." - Homer Kelley
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 08-12-2012 at 07:06 PM.
Mixing components is bad for me 
at this point. Had a terrible round on Saturday morning at my home course though it didn't start that way. Playing with a relative of one of our foursome who could not get out of the way, driving in front of shots, causing double clutches, playing out of turn, and even questioning the lines of our putts but the challenge helped me concentrate on the front 9 out of sheer anger 
and I shot a 43 with 2 "7's" back to back and two birdies on a par 35.
and lost my orientation to the plane! Also I stopped getting chips and putts to a 3-foot circle leaving everything way short. Stupid I also tried to switch between Hitting and Swinging as I lost concentration. I forgot to keep my Hitting club face square to the plane throughout and let my left wrist swivel spraying the ball. 
Shot a 49 and was upset.
Level left wrist provided the outside limit of the plane tracing, steady head, left knee lagging up, swivel face to parallel or open to plane, full right arm extension through or right knee slowly through the ball, swivel down squaring to plane. 
The level left wrist supports a stationary head with no need to dip down. The legs and fully extended (level left wrist) club form the tripod the head is braced upon. 
Linear Mode
