I read this thread with great interest as I've struggled getting the club to "lay on the line" for years. Lynn and I have worked quite a bit on this, and during our school at Pine Tree last week, another contributor to being "under plane" in startup/backstroke came into view.
The golfer can have EA, minimal pivot (acquired motion) and still have trouble maintaining the clubshaft's alignment to the plane line; wrist conditions (Mechanical Checklist, Section 4/5, #16) also play a role. Remember the left wrist cock is a vertical motion. Go to impact fix - then cock the left wrist vertically. This gives you the wrist alignments at top (and at finish)
I found my left wrist arched as I moved from startup into backstroke. This caused the need for a compensating move at top. Life got much simpler lately when I corrected this error.
Moral to the story: Use 12-3 Mechanical checklist. The answers are there!
I read this thread with great interest as I've struggled getting the club to "lay on the line" for years. Lynn and I have worked quite a bit on this, and during our school at Pine Tree last week, another contributor to being "under plane" in startup/backstroke came into view.
The golfer can have EA, minimal pivot (acquired motion) and still have trouble maintaining the clubshaft's alignment to the plane line; wrist conditions (Mechanical Checklist, Section 4/5, #16) also play a role. Remember the left wrist cock is a vertical motion. Go to impact fix - then cock the left wrist vertically. This gives you the wrist alignments at top (and at finish)
I found my left wrist arched as I moved from startup into backstroke. This caused the need for a compensating move at top. Life got much simpler lately when I corrected this error.
Moral to the story: Use 12-3 Mechanical checklist. The answers are there!
funny that you mentioned this. somehow the exact problem that i had when i saw lynn a couple of weeks back in atlanta...
after worked a little bit on it the pushes and left hocks seem to have no chance ..
but sure have to work on it for quite a while so the old habits don´t creep in again...
thx again for having me play your wonderful course there in florida
all the best to you and to you lynn of course
michael
Glad you made it back to Munich safe and sound, Michael*. Long way to travel for some Yoda-time!
Interesting and coincidental that your five-day trip to Cuscowilla was followed by more time in South Florida. Glad Dan Malizia, PGA and Head Professional, Pinetree GC, could arrange for you to play the course. It really is a terrific layout -- perennially a Florida 'Top Five' -- and I knew you would enjoy it.
Thanks, Dan, for making it happen!
* Michael Wirth is a German PGA teaching professional in Munich, Germany. He has made several trips to the U.S. in the past few years to train under some of the best known 'names' in golf. He also has earned the designation, Golf Stroke Engineering Master (GSEM) from The Golfing Machine, LLC.
Question....for those of you that employ the RFT, how do you ensure that the trunk coils properly?....feels (!) & thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thx, sky72
Question....for those of you that employ the RFT, how do you ensure that the trunk coils properly?....feels (!) & thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thx, sky72
Hey sky72
For me personally it was a big big discovery courtesy of Lynn Blake that the Pivot and the Hands go in different directions in Startup. The RFT fans and bends (at the elbow , the "pickup") The right elbow lifts and lowers the Hands the Power Package up and down the Inclined Plane. Lifts and lowers, the Hands, (the #3pp, the entire Sweetspot Plane even) up and down the Inclined Plane while the trunk as you call it , the Pivot turns back or around.
Two vectors which netout with the Hands and Clubhead traveling on Plane. For me I clear my Right HIp back to a predetermined position where it semi locks , the first few inches of clubhead travel is motivated by this right hip clearing as my clubhead is hovered slightly off the ground. Lagging takeaway too. The pivot is the giant rotor of the golf swing, producing its angular or circular basic motion, its CF. After these first few inches of travel I immediately RFT (fan and bend) with the Right Elbow bending and lifting the Hands UP. It might be more common for a golfer to do them both at the same time but after experimenting I like to feel as if the hips move the clubhead just a tad. It gets rid of my old hands only forward press which arched my left wrist a tad.
Right Hip back, right elbow lifts up but only so far actively as the Hands sort of glide the last bit to TOP. No excessive lifting in other words. Momentum can do the last bit......well it must do the last bit for a good transition (sliding left while you take out the slack in the left arm whilst the left wrist is still cocking and the pressure point is getting loaded). The Hands and the Pivot (the Right Shoulder) though they travel different directions in Startup meet up on the same Inclined Plane at Top. A prearranged meeting place where the Right Shoulder and the Hands meet on the same Inclined Plane Angle. A TSP angle by definition and the perfect alignment from which the Right Shoulder can pull the Hands (sweetspot etc) Down Plane in Startdown .......all the time with a fully bent Right Elbow. To start the hands down on their own is a death move and the hackers tell tale startdown move.
This whole business might be Homers greatest insight, to my mind. For me it is anyways and it starts with that little clearing of the Right HIp and the two vectors of startup. The clearing of the Right Hip isnt so popular these days in golf instruction books or common golf literature but it is the stuff of Jones, Snead, Hogan etc etc etc. Not a frozen right hip in the bunch.
The Hands , the Right Shoulder they may seem oblivious to each others movements but they have a secret rendezvous arranged like......... Strangers in the Night.
Thank you Lynn for my very first lesson, when you showed me the Arm Set, the Cleared Hip and the Lagging Takeaway. The last 8 lessons werent too shabby either. More to come.
The golfer can have EA, minimal pivot (acquired motion) and still have trouble maintaining the clubshaft's alignment to the plane line; wrist conditions (Mechanical Checklist, Section 4/5, #16) also play a role. Remember the left wrist cock is a vertical motion. Go to impact fix - then cock the left wrist vertically. This gives you the wrist alignments at top (and at finish)
I found my left wrist arched as I moved from startup into backstroke. This caused the need for a compensating move at top. Life got much simpler lately when I corrected this error.
I have some questions, sir, if you don't mind, for my own struggles.
If you start at Impact Fix, are you staying there to start the swing or simply rehearsing that positon?
Does your RFT vertically cock your left wrist or were you consciously trying to stand the club up vertically, or were you dragging it with hip motion?
I'm not trying to insult you, just discover my own answers to stupid things I try to do from time to time.
As you come down to the ball and to Both Arms Straight and to Finish, how are you aiming your shot? Are you Tracing the BLP? Sighting down your forearm or covering your front toes?
Thanks.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
For me personally it was a big big discovery courtesy of Lynn Blake that the Pivot and the Hands go in different directions in Startup. The RFT fans and bends (at the elbow , the "pickup") The right elbow lifts and lowers the Hands the Power Package up and down the Inclined Plane. Lifts and lowers, the Hands, (the #3pp, the entire Sweetspot Plane even) up and down the Inclined Plane while the trunk as you call it , the Pivot turns back or around.
Two vectors which netout with the Hands and Clubhead traveling on Plane. For me I clear my Right HIp back to a predetermined position where it semi locks , the first few inches of clubhead travel is motivated by this right hip clearing as my clubhead is hovered slightly off the ground. Lagging takeaway too. The pivot is the giant rotor of the golf swing, producing its angular or circular basic motion, its CF. After these first few inches of travel I immediately RFT (fan and bend) with the Right Elbow bending and lifting the Hands UP. It might be more common for a golfer to do them both at the same time but after experimenting I like to feel as if the hips move the clubhead just a tad. It gets rid of my old hands only forward press which arched my left wrist a tad.
Right Hip back, right elbow lifts up but only so far actively as the Hands sort of glide the last bit to TOP. No excessive lifting in other words. Momentum can do the last bit......well it must do the last bit for a good transition (sliding left while you take out the slack in the left arm whilst the left wrist is still cocking and the pressure point is getting loaded). The Hands and the Pivot (the Right Shoulder) though they travel different directions in Startup meet up on the same Inclined Plane at Top. A prearranged meeting place where the Right Shoulder and the Hands meet on the same Inclined Plane Angle. A TSP angle by definition and the perfect alignment from which the Right Shoulder can pull the Hands (sweetspot etc) Down Plane in Startdown .......all the time with a fully bent Right Elbow. To start the hands down on their own is a death move and the hackers tell tale startdown move.
This whole business might be Homers greatest insight, to my mind. For me it is anyways and it starts with that little clearing of the Right HIp and the two vectors of startup. The clearing of the Right Hip isnt so popular these days in golf instruction books or common golf literature but it is the stuff of Jones, Snead, Hogan etc etc etc. Not a frozen right hip in the bunch.
The Hands , the Right Shoulder they may seem oblivious to each others movements but they have a secret rendezvous arranged like......... Strangers in the Night.
Thank you Lynn for my very first lesson, when you showed me the Arm Set, the Cleared Hip and the Lagging Takeaway. The last 8 lessons werent too shabby either. More to come.
Lots to work on there, OB. Very helpful and interesting. Thanks.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
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