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View Poll Results: Does Pivot Power/Speed increase:
Effective Clubhead Mass 4 25.00%
Clubhead Speed 3 18.75%
Both 9 56.25%
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:59 PM
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We all understand that varying the out of line condition of the Power Accumulators and by varying the number of Accumulators in use, that we decide how much power can be produced by the Power Package. Furthermore, that this potential available Power is regulated by varying the effective Clubhead mass and/or Clubhead Speed.

So, not only do we know the average effective range of our 5 iron withing 5 yards +/-, we can fine tune the power into as little as 1 yard increments.

So, where does Pivot Power/Force enter into the Distance Equation?

Does Pivot Power/Speed increase:

Effective Clubhead Mass
Clubhead Speed
Both


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2-M-4 BODY POWER Inertia can hold the Left Arm against the chest while the Body Turn is accelerating it and Momentum can then sustain it and come out with the Feel of Left Arm Power. See 2-K. To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting the Swinger’s essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact. Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitters loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed. Study 6-B-4, 6-C-0, and 7-12 in this connection.

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Old 05-05-2010, 09:55 AM
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Seems like just speed. How can you add weight (mass) to the club when it's already moving ?
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:08 AM
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How about 'depends on the accumulators used and their overlap/sequence' as an option?

While maximum potential mass and speed (force) for a given player is basically finite, the effective mass can vary, as can speed.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:15 AM
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Since this is a hands controlled system and we use the power accumulators does the pivot really provide anything other support?
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mb6606 View Post
Since this is a hands controlled system and we use the power accumulators does the pivot really provide anything other support?
Absolutely . . . .

Let supposed that you have PERFECT WEDGE/Power Package alignments and you finish like the golfers below . . . vs. Hogan . . who's gonna hit it farther?













The pivot has HUGE implications on wedge alignments, plane shifts, release type, delivering maximum radius, release points, clubface closure rates, variances in angle of attack and angle of approach . . . you're gonna see significant changes in the driver as well as people try to achieve a certain spin rate and launch angle . . . some pivots work better than others in maximizing those numbers . . . so when you compare Hogan to the "compromised" pivots above there are OBVIOUS differences . . . but there are significant differences in the alignments in Eldrick vs. Hogan's pivot as well . . .

Sure Mr. Kelley advocated a "hands controlled" pivot but let's not reduce his system to that . . . he said, "Everything is important . . . monitor everything." Go watch a good pros pivot vs. a really good am . . . you'll see differences . . . . big time.
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KAPLOWD View Post
Seems like just speed. How can you add weight (mass) to the club when it's already moving ?
Effective mass basically is gonna vary based the size of the radius employeed . . . . so maximum radius is gonna be achieved by getting your "pivot segments" from out of line to in line from the ground up . . .




Note how all of hogan's pivot segments (joints) are "out of line" or bent . . . left ankle bent . . . left knee bent . . . hip sockets bent . . . spine flexed . . . neck down . . . but you'll see as the club gets down to it's release point Hogan quickly gets the segments "in line" by extending those joints . . . . via using the ground . . . forward and up . . . ankle . . . knee . . . hip . . . spine . . . even neck . . . (of course not to mention the joints in the power package) . . . all of these segments releasing at the proper time and rate help to keep the club on the plane angle and tracing the plane line (entire club lays on the face of the plane) . . . hogan laid it on the face of the plane better than anybody ever . . . much of it because of his pivot.

In addition to all that the head being in the proper spot and the pivot lag being maintained aids in maintaining the wedge alignments and also allows you to impart a hinge action versus an out of control swivel thru the ball.
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"Effective" Clubhead Mass.

The ball leaves at 100 percent of the Separation speed and 70 percent of the Approach speed of the clubhead. Making resistance to deceleration a factor. Extensor Action, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, grip pressure etc etc. A connection at the #4 pp perhaps for some? But that would require impact with the Power Accumulators fully loaded would it not? Or would it? I dunno.

Can you have some Pivot "Support" at the #4 pp and have fired the #4 accumulator to some degree? Perhaps. It would be a Swingers thing mainly, a Pivot Powered Swing, two cheeks at impact most likely, some contact at the #4 pp but still a partially fired set of Accumulators. The pivot would have to a fast turning one most likely.

Homer had Velocity Power as #2 Uncocking. Zone 2 as Power, not Zone 1. Zone 1 "spins the flywheel", Zone 2 takes it and magnifies it. Although Hogan's instant initial hip acceleration is surely faster for longer shots. Is this because his flywheel is heavier, bigger, harder to spin?
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
"Effective" Clubhead Mass.

The ball leaves at 100 percent of the Separation speed and 70 percent of the Approach speed of the clubhead. Making resistance to deceleration a factor. Extensor Action, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, grip pressure etc etc. A connection at the #4 pp perhaps for some? But that would require impact with the Power Accumulators fully loaded would it not? Or would it? I dunno.

Can you have some Pivot "Support" at the #4 pp and have fired the #4 accumulator to some degree? Perhaps. It would be a Swingers thing mainly, a Pivot Powered Swing, two cheeks at impact most likely, some contact at the #4 pp but still a partially fired set of Accumulators. The pivot would have to a fast turning one most likely.

Homer had Velocity Power as #2 Uncocking. Zone 2 as Power, not Zone 1. Zone 1 "spins the flywheel", Zone 2 takes it and magnifies it. Although Hogan's instant initial hip acceleration is surely faster for longer shots. Is this because his flywheel is heavier, bigger, harder to spin?
I kinda think of it this way . . . the "geometry of the circle" radius is the left arm and club no? but the SWING radius comprises the power package AND PIVOT (and all its components) . . . so you speak of #2 . . . cocking and uncocking right? . . . . so think of your knees, hips and spine also as "#2" for lack of a better word . . . you are going from "cocked" knees to "uncocked" knees . . . hips spine etc . . . in addition to producing "maximium SWING radius" this also allows you to keep the "flywheel" spinning . . . try to turn your hips the most and keep your left knee "cocked" and your hip joints "cocked" . . . keeping that rotation up helps to maintain the power package alignments, lag pressure and pivot lag going thru the entire machine . . .
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:13 PM
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Accumulator #4 is really strong and also provides ample resistance against slowdown.

Leaving pressure point 4 isn't the end of it either. For all practical purpuses - it never gets to it's inline condition (which is arm pointing straight out of the shoulder.

As long as you turn the left shoulder the A#4 will generate more speed.

I wrote a post about it in the lab some time ago.
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I was trying to ask - does the pivot simply enable more speed or does it create the speed?
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