Just so everyone here is clear, Daryl is not a TGM Professional, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
THE UN-COCKING LEFT WRIST DOES NOT CAUSE THE RIGHT ARM TO STRAIGHTEN.
No matter what procedure or how much overlap there is the correct sequence of accumulator release is 4,1,2,3. #2 never has and never will come before #1.
Just so everyone here is clear, Daryl is not a TGM Professional, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
THE UN-COCKING LEFT WRIST DOES NOT CAUSE THE RIGHT ARM TO STRAIGHTEN.
No matter what procedure or how much overlap there is the correct sequence of accumulator release is 4,1,2,3. #2 never has and never will come before #1.
Please do not make an easy concept so difficult!
I didn't say any of that. There are rules here. #1: don't misquote (unintentionally )
The next time I visit Georgia, I'm staying with you and I'm bringing Bucket!!!!! Do you mind if Bucket brings some of his Farm Animals?
But just so that I capture your interpretation, without any misrepresentation: You say,
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your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
So, everyone should straighten the Right Arm during the Downswing.
Did I quote you correctly?
I won't mind straightening the Right Arm during the downstroke but I would like some help reconciling some of the issues I stated in previous posts in this thread.
In the 'drag the mop' clip - is Yoda doing basic or acquired motion .. looks a bit more than 2 ft. to me - but less than what I perceive as acquired.
Also, he seems to break his wrists immediately at start of takeaway - I thought the ideal way is to take everything back as one triangle unit until they break naturally. Thanks for any feedback.
I would say from my lower level of learning TGM it might be considered "Dual Vertical Hinge (10-10-B)".
On todays green at least on tour I should say, I would only focus on Dual Vertical Hinge Action, No Roll of the Clubface, Reverse Roll feel. The ball will be higher comapred to Dual Horizontal Hinging and Angle Hinging and stop a hell of alot quicker.
I might have the above terms confused but this is what I believe they mean. Very sorry if I am wrong, and would not mind being corrected if so.
Just so everyone here is clear, Daryl is not a TGM Professional, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
THE UN-COCKING LEFT WRIST DOES NOT CAUSE THE RIGHT ARM TO STRAIGHTEN.
No matter what procedure or how much overlap there is the correct sequence of accumulator release is 4,1,2,3. #2 never has and never will come before #1.
Please do not make an easy concept so difficult!
Does not the Golfing Machine dictate for swingers the sequence of accumulator release is 4,2,3? I always get in trouble if I focus on straightening the right arm, I do it too early and run out of right arm. Are you indicating Mr. Gnome that after accumulator #4 is released, the right arm straightens before the left wrist un cocks? I was under the impression that at impact, when the left wrist has uncocked, the right arm should be bent, not straighten. I know I get better results when my right elbow straightens after the left wrist un-cocks and rolls. The roll motion seems to make the straightening almost automatic. Confused now, what is the sequence for swingers on accumulator release?
Does not the Golfing Machine dictate for swingers the sequence of accumulator release is 4,2,3? I always get in trouble if I focus on straightening the right arm, I do it too early and run out of right arm. Are you indicating Mr. Gnome that after accumulator #4 is released, the right arm straightens before the left wrist un cocks? I was under the impression that at impact, when the left wrist has uncocked, the right arm should be bent, not straighten. I know I get better results when my right elbow straightens after the left wrist un-cocks and rolls. The roll motion seems to make the straightening almost automatic. Confused now, what is the sequence for swingers on accumulator release?
Hi Dodger,
IMHO, 4-2-3 is correct, As four barrel is generally saved for hitting, if we know what is good for us, #1 is taken right out of the equation. No muscular effort to straighten #1 at all when swinging, it simply straightens along with the release of #4 and at the command of centrifugal force.. If #4 is released fully too soon, the right arm will straighten too soon as well.
Geez, this would be a lot easier if you guys all just switched to hitting!
Kevin
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Using Extensor Action: From the End of Startup, to the Top and down to Release, with the Right Shoulder On Plane, Hands On Plane, Flying Wedges On Plane, with 3 dimensional Elbow Control, .............
The Right Forearm is On Plane when the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Flying Wedge. When the Left Arm Wedge is on the Swing Plane you're on the Turned Shoulder Plane. When the Right Arm Wedge is on the Swing Plane you're on the Elbow Plane.
From the End of Startup, to the Top and down to Release
Wow thats a lot of work, thanks. You're assuming a very early Power Package Loading Point then, the Right Arm fully bent at the end of Startup. Is there a reason for this?
This would take me out of the picture when Im float loading a 10-21-D Downstroke Top , Loading Point on the downswing. But agreed my right Elbow once the Power Accumulator #1 is fully loaded, fully bent, stays that way until its stored power is Released via Right Elbow Straightening. Im trying to delay it some and do think of maintaining the right elbow bend in this connection while training.
There is a school of thought out there on the web that this elbow bend shouldnt be released till past Impact. Making the Power Accumulator firing order 2,3,4,1 or somethingerother. Dont really want to get into this but I dont get it at all, how does CF fire #2 when the Pivots still accelerating? #2 cant be fired via Thrusting if #1 is the last Accumulator to Fire. I dunno. A left hand throw? A pushing down on the #2 with the right arm but the elbow staying fully bent? Ah forget I mentioned this. I think Homer had it right, the Accumulators can be zeroed, omitted, overlapped but the order stays the same. 4,1,2,3. Hey does this make sense.......Pivot, Arms, then Hands sequentialy? Zone 1, Zone 2, Zone 3. Sort of like a chain reaction or Pivot Train or something.
Back to "dragging the wet mop", its a body thing with no hand firing. In fact the hands are just clamps that sense the lagging condition of the heavy mop handle in the pressure points. The Overtaking of the Hands by the Mop head happens and should not be held off, steered. No need to keep the body turning hard and fire the mop head past the Hands with the Hands. No world class janitor with a good back does this. Overtaking in a golf sense will not be destructive if its well timed and done via a Roll with a Flat Left Wrist as opposed a Bending Left Wrist. Do not try to Steer the clubhead or the clubface straight towards the Target or the Left Wrist will bend.
You're assuming a very early Power Package Loading Point then, the Right Arm fully bent at the end of Startup. Is there a reason for this?
Yes. The wrist is fully cocked at the end of startup using Magic of the right forearm. In addition, any further bending will take the Hands off plane unless a corresponding drop in elbow location/path is included.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
This would take me out of the picture when Im float loading a 10-21-D Downstroke Top , Loading Point on the downswing. But agreed my right Elbow once the Power Accumulator #1 is fully loaded, fully bent, stays that way until its stored power is Released via Right Elbow Straightening. Im trying to delay it some and do think of maintaining the right elbow bend in this connection while training.
One of the interesting things I've learned is that unbending the right elbow during the downstroke in a Pivot Controlled Hands Procedure WILL lower the Hands to the Elbow Plane. You probably avoid this by a serious effort to take the hands straight downplane or Trace the Base Line of the Plane.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
There is a school of thought out there on the web that this elbow bend shouldnt be released till past Impact. Making the Power Accumulator firing order 2,3,4,1 or somethingerother. Dont really want to get into this but I dont get it at all, how does CF fire #2 when the Pivots still accelerating? #2 cant be fired via Thrusting if #1 is the last Accumulator to Fire. I dunno. A left hand throw? A pushing down on the #2 with the right arm but the elbow staying fully bent? Ah forget I mentioned this. I think Homer had it right, the Accumulators can be zeroed, omitted, overlapped but the order stays the same. 4,1,2,3. Hey does this make sense.......Pivot, Arms, then Hands sequentialy? Zone 1, Zone 2, Zone 3. Sort of like a chain reaction or Pivot Train or something.
Hmm? I haven't seen that one.
Ya know, when I drag farther downplane than normal, it sometimes feels like #4 fires after Impact. But it doesn't. It's just a very late release and the accumulators release so fast that it seems simultaneous.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Back to "dragging the wet mop", its a body thing with no hand firing. In fact the hands are just clamps that sense the lagging condition of the heavy mop handle in the pressure points. The Overtaking of the Hands by the Mop head happens and should not be held off, steered. No need to keep the body turning hard and fire the mop head past the Hands with the Hands. No world class janitor with a good back does this. Overtaking in a golf sense will not be destructive if its well timed and done via a Roll with a Flat Left Wrist as opposed a Bending Left Wrist. Do not try to Steer the clubhead or the clubface straight towards the Target or the Left Wrist will bend.
Entirely Agree. Unfortunately, Elbow Plane Swingers must go into Release with a Bent LEFT Wrist to acquire a sequenced release from CF. Otherwise, the Release is closer to Simultaneous. I'm referring specifically to the Hogan Swivel.
So much of TGM Theory needs the Turned Shoulder Plane Angle for perspective.
Ya know, when I drag farther downplane than normal, it sometimes feels like #4 fires after Impact. But it doesn't. It's just a very late release and the accumulators release so fast that it seems simultaneous.
So you realize it is a "feel" only and not a "real". "Seems as if", but it isnt. For you its a Delay, not a change to the sequence in the Firing Order. Makes good sense.
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