plane and baseline

[slicer mcgolf]

If a club is on plane when it points at the base of the inclined plane, when is a clubshaft on plane when it does not point at the target line?

I guess the question is, why would we shift the baseline to the right of the target line?

[Yoda]

If a club is on plane when it points at the base of the inclined plane, when is a clubshaft on plane when it does not point at the target line?

I guess the question is, why would we shift the baseline to the right of the target line?

An On Plane Clubshaft -- actually, per 2-F, the Centrifugal Line of Pull from the Sweet Spot to the #3 Pressure Point / right index finger, for which the Clubshaft is a suitable proxy -- always points at the Baseline of the Inclined Plane unless they are parallel (1-L #6).

The only reason to Rotate the normally Square Baseline (10-5-A) to the right, i.e., into a Closed alignment (10-5-E) is to produce -- depending on the Clubface alignment at Separation -- Hooks, Pushes and Pushed Cuts.

The false notion that the Baseline of the Plane must 'shift' to the right during the Downstroke is a holdover from the error in Ben Hogan's Five Lessons (pp. 87-89). It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. The Clubhead Orbit does not shift from a Square Plane Line to a Closed Plane Line. Instead, it continues Down-and-Out on the same Inclined Plane through Impact. With the Ball positioned prior to Low Point -- opposite the Left Shoulder -- this does indeed result in an Inside-Out Impact (Hogan's stated objective). But . . .

It does not result in an Inside-Out Stroke (Hogan's unfortunate explanation). Study 2-J-2.

In fact, in all geometrically-correct Strokes, Impact is always 'Inside-Out', i.e., Downplane through Impact to Low Point (1-L #13 and #14). This is true whether the Plane Line is Square (On-Line Stroke), Open (Outside-In Stroke) or Closed (Inside-Out Stroke).

[12 piece bucket]

An On Plane Clubshaft -- actually, per 2-F, the Centrifugal Line of Pull from the Sweet Spot to the #3 Pressure Point / right index finger, for which the Clubshaft is a suitable proxy -- always points at the Baseline of the Inclined Plane unless they are parallel (1-L #6).

The only reason to Rotate the normally Square Baseline (10-5-A) to the right, i.e., into a Closed alignment (10-5-E) is to produce -- depending on the Clubface alignment at Separation -- Hooks, Pushes and Pushed Cuts.

The false notion that the Baseline of the Plane must 'shift' to the right during the Downstroke is a holdover from the error in Ben Hogan's Five Lessons (pp. 87-89). It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. The Clubhead Orbit does not shift from a Square Plane Line to a Closed Plane Line. Instead, it continues Down-and-Out on the same Inclined Plane through Impact. With the Ball positioned prior to Low Point -- opposite the Left Shoulder -- this does indeed result in an Inside-Out Impact (Hogan's stated objective). But . . .

It does not result in an Inside-Out Stroke (Hogan's unfortunate explanation). Study 2-J-2.

In fact, in all geometrically-correct Strokes, Impact is always 'Inside-Out', i.e., Downplane through Impact to Low Point (1-L #13 and #14). This is true whether the Plane Line is Square (On-Line Stroke), Open (Outside-In Stroke) or Closed (Inside-Out Stroke).

Golf clap . . . .

[EdZ]

If a club is on plane when it points at the base of the inclined plane, when is a clubshaft on plane when it does not point at the target line?

I guess the question is, why would we shift the baseline to the right of the target line?

One reason this can happen is as a compensation for a ball position that is too far back, often caused by a grip that is too strong (turned), or a shoulder alignment that is pointed out to the right. Easy to check in a mirror, or by laying some clubs out to check your alignments.

[Mike O]

Golf clap . . . .

While quite appropriate- your post meets one of the qualifications for a "fluff post" - less than 10letters and therefore will not count towards your G.O.L.F. watch, that you're expecting when you reach your 4000th post! Bagger please remove it from the running total- that'll put him back to eleven. P.S. Your sister was fantastic!

[12 piece bucket]

While quite appropriate- your post meets one of the qualifications for a "fluff post" - less than 10letters and therefore will not count towards your G.O.L.F. watch, that you're expecting when you reach your 4000th post! Bagger please remove it from the running total- that'll put him back to eleven. P.S. Your sister was fantastic!

I assume you think the above is in keeping with your hobby . . . "creating quality?"

I told you she was JUST LIKE A MAN!!!! Hope it didn't hurt. shhhhhhhHEEEEEEE's the best.

[O.B.Left]

An On Plane Clubshaft -- actually, per 2-F, the Centrifugal Line of Pull from the Sweet Spot to the #3 Pressure Point / right index finger, for which the Clubshaft is a suitable proxy -- always points at the Baseline of the Inclined Plane unless they are parallel (1-L #6).

The only reason to Rotate the normally Square Baseline (10-5-A) to the right, i.e., into a Closed alignment (10-5-E) is to produce -- depending on the Clubface alignment at Separation -- Hooks, Pushes and Pushed Cuts.

The false notion that the Baseline of the Plane must 'shift' to the right during the Downstroke is a holdover from the error in Ben Hogan's Five Lessons (pp. 87-89). It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. The Clubhead Orbit does not shift from a Square Plane Line to a Closed Plane Line. Instead, it continues Down-and-Out on the same Inclined Plane through Impact. With the Ball positioned prior to Low Point -- opposite the Left Shoulder -- this does indeed result in an Inside-Out Impact (Hogan's stated objective). But . . .

It does not result in an Inside-Out Stroke (Hogan's unfortunate explanation). Study 2-J-2.

In fact, in all geometrically-correct Strokes, Impact is always 'Inside-Out', i.e., Downplane through Impact to Low Point (1-L #13 and #14). This is true whether the Plane Line is Square (On-Line Stroke), Open (Outside-In Stroke) or Closed (Inside-Out Stroke).

Nice. This with a little post Low Point extrapolation also answers the question "When are we swinging left?"

Any perceived references to a trade marked swing methodology is purely coincidental or resides inside the head of the reader solely. Swing Left yes but On Plane, post Low Point when the club head is traveling Forward, Up and In but the Thrust continues towards the Plane Line, Forward , Down and Out to Both Arms Straight. Per 1-L-10.

[12 piece bucket]

Nice. This with a little post Low Point extrapolation also answers the question "When are we swinging left?"

Any perceived references to a trade marked swing methodology is purely coincidental or resides inside the head of the reader solely. Swing Left yes but On Plane, post Low Point when the club head is traveling Forward, Up and In but the Thrust continues towards the Plane Line, Forward , Down and Out to Both Arms Straight. Per 1-L-10.

This is an interesting deal . . . . Thrust of what?

Here's another thing to knaw on a bit . . . if the hands are also swinging in something considered an arc . . . would they not reach their low point PRIOR to the clubhead reaching it's low point? I have found for me anyway that once I figured out the down and out portion I over did it and actually ended up shifting the plane line out. For me now my hands have to work left for the club to stay on plane and keep going out to get the throw out on plane.

[drewitgolf]

This is an interesting deal . . . . Thrust of what?

Here's another thing to knaw on a bit . . . if the hands are also swinging in something considered an arc . . . would they not reach their low point PRIOR to the clubhead reaching it's low point? I have found for me anyway that once I figured out the down and out portion I over did it and actually ended up shifting the plane line out. For me now my hands have to work left for the club to stay on plane and keep going out to get the throw out on plane.

The Thrust (an Acceleration force) May be Muscular (Right Arm) Force and/or Centrifugal Force (Pivot). Thrust is the strong pressure of one part of a structure against another.


Regarding your Hands reaching their Low Point, it depends on if their is movement of the center (Left Shoulder for a Left Arm Stroke) to get to its Impact Fix location.

[Mike O]

I assume you think the above is in keeping with your hobby . . . "creating quality?"

I told you she was JUST LIKE A MAN!!!! Hope it didn't hurt. shhhhhhhHEEEEEEE's the best.

Now, that was some good stuff- made me chuckle!