Not sure about all that but a point of interested would be the two pictures of the wood chopper you got in there . . . notice what the dude's body is doing . . . . lots of similarities but we do it on a different plane . . . inclined vs. vertical . . . the pivot ain't all about turning . . . .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 10-30-2009 at 02:16 PM.
yes there are similarities with those motions of the vertical line of muscular effort on a vertical plane and inclined plane but im not trying to point out the similarities of those two similar pulling motions on different planes. for this motion it is not a similarity to the chopping wood it IS that motion its a VERTICAl plane of motion NOT an inclined plane, it becomes inclined because the pivot imparts the aroundward motion and the arms impart a vertical motion, when synched up properly it becomes inclined. this is a different plane of swinging, you are not pulling along an inclined plane you are pulling and raising on a definite vertical only plane, single left wrist action while simultaneously the pivot is imparting a horizontal-ish plane or at least a very flat inclined plane, put two completely different motions together and you get what i see as a 'body swivel'. this might be the only motion where bobbing might actually be a power move
theres a few ways to execute this motion.... the second of which is pretty unorthodox looking
1)a.from the address position startup by simply raising your arms and cocking your wrists vertically until your wrists are fully cocked and the biceps have lifted just above the shoulders while simultaneously and in synch, pivot your hips, shoulders, and knees relatively flat and centered until your back is facing the target/ shoulders rotated 90 degrees. end is reached approximately when shoulders reach 90 degrees and arms reach just above shoulder height
b.from this position simply pull straight downwards, a vertical line of muscular effort, almost like your trying to pull the butt of the club straight down into your pelvis, while executing this motion pivot back toward the target with equal force horizontally that your pulling down with vertically. its as if you pressed rewind, starting down right back down the way you started up
c.once you reach impact raise the arms with the same force you pulled them down vertically with from start down and continue to pivot flattish and centered , you will have a 'high' end and a'high' finish
2) a.from the address position without pivoting, simply raise your arms and cock your wrists vertically until your wrists are fully cocked and the biceps have lifted just above the shoulders
b. then with your arms raised, pivot your hips, shoulders, and knees relatively flat and centered until your back is facing the target/ shoulders rotated 90 degrees
c. from this position simply pull straight downwards, a vertical line of muscular effort, almost like your trying to pull the butt of the club straight down into your pelvis, while executing this motion pivot back toward the target with equal force horizontally that your pulling down with vertically
d. once you reach impact raise the arms with the same force you pulled them down vertically with from start down and continue to pivot flattish and centered , you will have a 'high' end and a'high' finish
3)a.from the address position without raising the arms or cocking the wrists, pivot your hips, shoulders, and knees relatively flat and centered until your back is facing the target/ shoulders rotated 90 degrees
b. from this position simply raise your arms and cock your wrists vertically until your wrists are fully cocked and the biceps have lifted just above the shoulders
c. from this position simply pull straight downwards, a vertical line of muscular effort, almost like your trying to pull the butt of the club straight down into your pelvis, while executing this motion, pivot back toward the target with equal force horizontally that your pulling down with vertically.
d. once you reach impact raise the arms with the same force you pulled them down vertically with from start down and continue to pivot flattish and centered , you will have a 'high' end and a'high' finish
at all times during the motion you maintain a bending backwards feeling of the spine
I like the basis of your observation Whip. The core of it, to my mind anyways, being that the Pivot and the Hands do not travel in the same direction but in fact travel their own unique paths which net out ideally with an on plane motion. One that is best directed by the brain through its sensory outpost in the Hands the pressure points. The antithesis of this being Pivot to Hands, the Hands being pulled in the direction the Pivot is traveling. Always under Plane in Startup. The Shoulder Turn Takeaway.
So the Pivot turns BACK and the Hands are lifted UP by the right elbow. Two vectors under consideration here. While largely unrecognized it is not a new concept by any means. Here are some references for further consideration or study. I bet Lynn or Drewit could add quite a few more too.
- The Golfing Machine, Homer Kelley:
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2-N-1 FORCE VECTORS. Actually, the orbit of the Clubhead (7-23) is a resultant force (2-C-1). That is the product of two divergent forces-one outward and one downward.
There is more to read there so check it out and note that the "outward" and "downward" mentioned by Mr Kelley represent two of the three dimensions of Three Dimensional Impact. The Down which you are addressing being the common missing Dimension in the average golfer. The Vertical Plane of motion of the Left Wrist Cock and Uncock. Vertical Hand Motion but on an Inclined Plane when striking a golf ball.
The lifting and lowering of the Left Arm Flying Wedge being done by the Right Elbow. Magic of the Right Forearm. Why? Try lifting with just your left arm on the club and see how much effort is required compared to the RF PIckup. Leave the left arm inert. Im rambling, sorry.
-Robert G. MacDonald, "Golf" , 1927. One of the accompanying illustrations depicts a man axing the base of tree on an inclined plane. The "MacDonald exercises" which Lynn discusses in detail on this website, dove tail quite nicely with several TGM concepts and clearly separate the direction and motion of the Pivot and the Hands.
-Peter Cowan, a friend to this site, with his take on golf and wood chopping.
-The great man himself, Mr Lynn Blake from the teaser to his smash hit "Alignment Golf" displaying his "hammer drill".
1. Go to a TSP Top, then zero out your pivot by returning the shoulders to their Impact position while leaving your arms at Top. You'll notice your left arm is across your chest and the hands are approximately over your right leg.
2. Do the same but from a Turning Shoulder position at Top or End. You will now notice your Hands are much more centered in your stance.
The difference I think being a result of changes in the mixture of Fan and Bend in the RFT. 1. has more Fanning 2. is almost pure Bending or pure Right Arm Pickup. Lynn in a lesson recommended that I begin the pickup immediately in Startup albeit for me with some accompanying Fanning as I prefer the TSP as the Turning Shoulder Plane requiring a Plane Shift back to the TSP prior to Start down.
Mr Kelley referred to the Turning Shoulder Plane as having an "off plane loading" procedure and described it as the motion used by those who take the club "straight back from the ball" another off plane procedure. Straight Back, Steering, being an outside the plane move.
So although it is named a Turning Shoulder Plane is it really a true Plane? I dunno. If its "Straight Back" you cant Trace, you'd have to Cover the Base Line with the clubhead. Ive been working really hard to get rid of things like this. Bad habits from my junior years in the 70's. Plaid pants, long hair, high hands and a sore back.
Is the Turning Shoulder Plane still the most popular plane out there? It was in Homer's day but is it still? Im inclined to say no.
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