TGM and OTHER

[hackattack]

That's a joke, isn't it!??

[6bmike]

Obviously, neither did I. Feel free to check out the link I listed in my post to Mike.

Sorry old friend- I did. A nice taste of insanity. As a photographer I respect copyrights but I also believe you have to give something away to get something back. Lynn Blake gave more than anyone and got much in return. So did Homer, who Jack still ridicules.

[pistol]

Sorry old friend- I did. A nice taste of insanity. As a photographer I respect copyrights but I also believe you have to give something away to get something back. Lynn Blake gave more than anyone and got much in return. So did Homer, who Jack still ridicules.

i tried to open the link for this man's site but could not ..anyway i probably missing nothing since the whole bent left arm would be the opposite to this man's swing

lots of instuctors claim their method is based on the swing of the above but simply they are light years away
most of the answers are in the yellow book

[drewitgolf]

Many instructors teach a method "the way", which can have success with a student if the student fits their model. The problem with methods is that they are often incomplete and quite often based on subjective interpretations.

TGM informs and explains a flexible "feel" system based on geometry (alignments) and Physics (power) that can be adjust to the individual's needs. A complete flexible system that incorporates ALL successful methods.

[brownman]

Keeping in mind that I am true TGM believer ,I am always open to improvement and different ways to achieving the improvements.Now Im just a hacker in so much as I will never be a pro, just a joe blow who enjoys his golf so I can go out and try different things and it wont be the end of the world if it fails,I just love seeing the ball rocket off the clubface and actually going where I aimed.
Getting to the point of my post,I had a delve into the MOE NORMAN one plane swing,I couldnt believe the resulting ball flight and consistancy of the strike,on looking closer at the alighnments they are very similar to homers teachings,ON PLANE..LEVER ALIGHNMENTS,footwork is very different but in saying that,I found that my body isnt all over the shop,hence my ability to make better ball contact.
I am looking forward to any and all comments on this swing method.Thanks TERRY

[6bmike]

Keeping in mind that I am true TGM believer ,I am always open to improvement and different ways to achieving the improvements.Now Im just a hacker in so much as I will never be a pro, just a joe blow who enjoys his golf so I can go out and try different things and it wont be the end of the world if it fails,I just love seeing the ball rocket off the clubface and actually going where I aimed.
Getting to the point of my post,I had a delve into the MOE NORMAN one plane swing,I couldnt believe the resulting ball flight and consistancy of the strike,on looking closer at the alighnments they are very similar to homers teachings,ON PLANE..LEVER ALIGHNMENTS,footwork is very different but in saying that,I found that my body isnt all over the shop,hence my ability to make better ball contact.
I am looking forward to any and all comments on this swing method.Thanks TERRY

Moe was a unique golfer and a friend of LBG. The problem I see is that many who teach his golf stroke, teach a stroke that is not what Moe used. Even Moe didn't know what was going on in his swing- scientifically. Example- Moe always claimed that his clubhead went further down the line straight then any other golfers clubhead did and that this is how the club most be released when actually his clubhead turned inside to the left after impact - the geometric circle. His hands continued to drive toward the "target" but he 'felt; clubhead. Moe did NOT use Vertical hinge action to keep the clubhead square throughout impact which is the only way he could do what he thought he did. ( see what Homer cn do to you )
Moe and many instructors say the left arm is one plane when it is the right arm- the right forearm horizontal plane that is on plane into impact.
Natural golf instruction, which I feel is not Moe's Swing at all, say the hips need to be square at impact when Moe's hips begin and are opening before impact. Again we benefit from studying Homer Kelley via Lynn Blake.
Natural golf instructors tell you that address and impact are the same-- that is why a single axis/single plane of the shaft is important. But we know that address and Impact are very different and this is why a single plane/axis is not the objective.
As I said Moe is well respected by LBG- we just have a Homer Kelley eye on his golf stroke that doesn't always match the common thought of what he did. And when you see his swing through the eyes of Homer Kelley- it becomes a thing of beauty- a machine based stroke for sure.

[pistol]

Moe was a unique golfer and a friend of LBG. The problem I see is that many who teach his golf stroke, teach a stroke that is not what Moe used. Even Moe didn't know what was going on in his swing- scientifically. Example- Moe always claimed that his clubhead went further down the line straight then any other golfers clubhead did and that this is how the club most be released when actually his clubhead turned inside to the left after impact - the geometric circle. His hands continued to drive toward the "target" but he 'felt; clubhead. Moe did NOT use Vertical hinge action to keep the clubhead square throughout impact which is the only way he could do what he thought he did. ( see what Homer cn do to you )
Moe and many instructors say the left arm is one plane when it is the right arm- the right forearm horizontal plane that is on plane into impact.
Natural golf instruction, which I feel is not Moe's Swing at all, say the hips need to be square at impact when Moe's hips begin and are opening before impact. Again we benefit from studying Homer Kelley via Lynn Blake.
Natural golf instructors tell you that address and impact are the same-- that is why a single axis/single plane of the shaft is important. But we know that address and Impact are very different and this is why a single plane/axis is not the objective.
As I said Moe is well respected by LBG- we just have a Homer Kelley eye on his golf stroke that doesn't always match the common thought of what he did. And when you see his swing through the eyes of Homer Kelley- it becomes a thing of beauty- a machine based stroke for sure.

Which poses the question was Moe a hitter or a swinger. Moe seems to allude to the idea that he had a vertical/angle hinge type motion and according to the Jack K bloke Moe was all about right arm power ( thanks for the heads up on his site 6bmike ) . It does look like under slow motion Moe had more of a horizontal hinge motion going on

[brownman]

Pistol,Im no expert but I can tell you that in my efforts to reproduce Moe,s swing that any success I have is due to ..1..H/hinging...2...hitting...the latter being a contradiction in somuchas hitter uses angle hinging as we know.It may be in the hand action in follow through causing conflict of hinging...Terry

[6bmike]

Which poses the question was Moe a hitter or a swinger. Moe seems to allude to the idea that he had a vertical/angle hinge type motion and according to the Jack K bloke Moe was all about right arm power ( thanks for the heads up on his site 6bmike ) . It does look like under slow motion Moe had more of a horizontal hinge motion going on

If Moe had video- it would have ruined him. A clash of reality and perception.

Moe had little or no acc3 or acc2 due to his palm grip. He seem to have one very long primary Lever (which lead to the idea the left was on plane- a vertical plane but not the incline plane) so Swinging is out. RASer or Hitter, doesn't matter trying to put him in a Kelley pigeon hole- he was one of a kind.

Off to soccer with the son

[pistol]

Pistol,Im no expert but I can tell you that in my efforts to reproduce Moe,s swing that any success I have is due to ..1..H/hinging...2...hitting...the latter being a contradiction in somuchas hitter uses angle hinging as we know.It may be in the hand action in follow through causing conflict of hinging...Terry

Sounds good Terry and 6b . I have read in passing that Tom Tomasello was really teaching hitting using horizontal hinge. Any thoughts on this one?