Sounds good Terry and 6b . I have read in passing that Tom Tomasello was really teaching hitting using horizontal hinge. Any thoughts on this one?
Homer said that all Hinge Motions can be perform and used by either stroke. Hinge MOTIONS are a function of rhythm and ROLL of the Arms. Hinge ACTIONS are Hand manipulations- being vertical to the corresponding plane - the Wall, Floor or Incline plane. Hand position determines clubface impact through the ball, since rhythm is a Basic Essential, 2-A-3. Impact through Ball is "Zone Three"- Ball Control. So regardless of stroke pattern, the Roll of the arms and vertical angle of the hands can be achieved. Some patterns work better with certain rhythms, that's all. It has been said the Bobby Clampett use Angled Hinging as a Swinger. 90% of slicers do the same thing (but w/o the talent). His use of angled Hinge didn't make him a Hitter.
I han,nt really had the time yet to really get into this as yet(ball pos),but it is a bit disconcerting,ie,opposite the outside of L/shoulder but I can still hit the ball pretty good,It would have to mean that Im hitting the ball on the upswing,the hand action is vital here as the c/face is definitly rotating and up and in,I like to hear what the brains trust have to say hear,one thing I do know for sure that if the hands do not roll in accordance with Mr Kelly,s teachings and they flip,you will definitly cold top it....Terry
I han,nt really had the time yet to really get into this as yet(ball pos),but it is a bit disconcerting,ie,opposite the outside of L/shoulder but I can still hit the ball pretty good,It would have to mean that Im hitting the ball on the upswing,the hand action is vital here as the c/face is definitly rotating and up and in,I like to hear what the brains trust have to say hear,one thing I do know for sure that if the hands do not roll in accordance with Mr Kelly,s teachings and they flip,you will definitly cold top it....Terry
It does sound like your ball position is a bit up the line.
A swinger with a ball position up in the stance (but not as far as yours ) will produce a draw since the face is closing. A Hitter with the same ball position will hit a fade because his face is (very) angled to the right and laid back - so ball postion matters.
Yes I do agree completly,it is apparently is the recommended position for the driver leastways,didnt say I liked it ,in fact feels odd,also I definitly using h/pattern with h/hinging,if I tried with a/hinge ,one call only imagine the slice.There has to be rhime and reason to Moes hand technique that is incorporated in the swing,maybe its also something to do with his both feet NOT moving at all until well after the ball is gone,I believe we will soon get to the bottom of this yet.Thanks..TERRY
Jack Kuykendall does not believe anyone can even perform having a flat left wrist- let alone maintain one. He is a true Homer Kelley basher- he believes that a bend left arm is another lever as well as flipping he left wrist is another power lever. I got into an email conversation with him years ago. It fell apart the moment I answered his challenge questions he thought no one could. He told me he was a chronic flipper. He claims to be the greatest golf scientist/swing inventor in the world. He didn't even get Moe's swing right for Natural Golf. Pure Nut Job- There is one site that won't even print his name in fear of being sued by him for that very reason.
BTW- On Kuykendall's site where is bashes Homer, he lifted copyrighted images and diagrams from a physics book that I have in my library- It is a High School Physics book that non-college prep students learn from. Not exactly the stuff a self proclaimed genius would steal from. I got mine from a garage sale of an old science teacher in the neighborhood.
Hi Mike. Do you also realize that he teaches a very specialized TGM stroke and sells clubs that are really only useful for that specific stroke? I got taken by that guy and spent a year avoiding TGM because of his "rap." UGH!
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I have taken a look at several alternatives to TGM the last 9 months or so. Some of the more interesting alternative seem to be heavily influenced by HK. His legacy is secured as far as I can see.
LBG have a TGM cousin over at Advanced Ball Striking, mr John Erickson. He was originally a student of Ben Doyle, and basically was breeded into a swinging TGM pattern. In the middle of his professional carreer, he concluded that the stroke pattern he had grown up with didn't hold up under pressure and converted to what he calls Pivot Driven Hitting. Per description it is quite different from the hitting protocol that is so often discussed here, but apart from a few specialities that he has implemented (such as using clubs with very flat lies) I am not quite sure what the real differences is when we get past the semantics. I think there is a different understanding of the pivot and Accumulator #4. But on the other hand, Lynn Blake's hitting pattern looks very pivot driven as well. It takes a pretty good eye to see the difference when Lynn Blake hits or swings. He has a beautiful pivot motion with both stroke patterns.
Then there is a bunch of Ben Hogan followers. I wouldn't excactly call it a teaching school, because it is probably mostly for the enthusiasts. But nevertheless, there is a very active subforum dedicated to exploring BH's swing over at Golfwrx.com. A lot of very knowledgeable people there too, and some of them also know their TGM.
Then you have MORAD, which is Mac O'Grady's project. I don't know much about the swing, but he was a HK disciple and while he eventually concluded that TGM had serious shortcomings, he still seems to attribute at least 75% of his approach to HK and TGM. What's perhaps more interesting on the big scene is that the current big hit - the Stack & Tilt - was developed from guys that came from MORAD and was heavily influenced by TGM. I am reading the S&T book these days. It is a pretty simple motion, and what they write is very goal oriented and relevant. Everyone who struggles with a slice and with inconsistent ball contact should read it. As I said, heavily influenced by TGM, but the style and purpose is totally different. HK tried to make a general theory of ball striking. These guys have done the opposite; Deliberately emphasizing a stroke pattern and components that (hopefully) cures the slice and produces solid ball contact time and again.
A very different approach that I find very interesting and refreshing - and also very complimentary to TGM is the works of mr Kelvin Myiahira. He is a speed trainer that has become very occupied with golf lately. His work seems to be only moderately influenced by the golfing literature. I can't see that what he teaches is much in conflict with TGM, but he is emphasizing different aspects of the golf stroke. If you wander what happens between the hips and the shoulders you might find spending a couple of hours reading his blog worthwhile.
There are of course a lot of other teaching approaches out there too, but most of them are very hands-on, lacks a systematic approach, leaves a lot to the teacher and can't really be regardet as a school.
I'm convinced that Golf Stroke Mechanics be directed at controlling the Line of Compression. That's the beginning of Ball Control.
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A circle is two dimensional and can lie on a flat plane. If the Plane Line loses it straightness the Clubhead Orbit becomes three dimensional and precision vanishes.
The direction of the ball will be the resultant of the Vectors of the forces acting on the ball, unless all the forces can be focused on one line (2-C-1 #3). Then direction control would be stabilized and, in addition, the ball would be propelled by the sum of the forces acting on it, instead of the much smaller Resultant Force of scattered Vectors. The Vector of the spin-producing force cannot be brought into the alignment or there would be a loss of altitude control as well as spin control.
) will produce a draw since the face is closing. A Hitter with the same ball position will hit a fade because his face is (very) angled to the right and laid back - so ball postion matters.
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