[innercityteacher]

Hi ICT,

I don't think the solution is thinking about keeping the right elbow in front of the right hip as Tomasello says. I think that it's the correct GOAL but I don't think it's the way to go about achieving it.

I only viewed the video one time so forgive me if I missed something, but the proper solution is to use a steeper plane.

Use the Right Forearm Take-Away to gain a Steeper Plane, preferably, one of the Shoulder Planes. And, with any of the Shoulder Planes, the Right Elbow will "Clear" (move in front) the Right Hip (Actually, the Plane is what locates the Right Elbow). Trying to keep the Right Elbow in Front of the Right Hip will only Shorten your Backstroke.

And just as important, is Posture. Knees straight and bending from the waist works very well for the Elbow Plane, but a Flatter shoulder turn Backstroke, bending knees, weight slightly back, is compatible with shoulder planes.

The Pivot moves the Right Shoulder and the Right Shoulder Path is going to be a Straight Line Down-Plane, or Over the Plane or Under the Plane.

Under Plane path of the Right Shoulder sticks the Elbow at your side. Over-Plane is not forgivable.

If you don't like the Right Forearm Take-Away, you can use one of the "Turning Shoulder Planes".

I tried Turning Shoulder Plane Takeaway after many "bucket drills" and remembered to keep the right elbow in front of the right hip, ball in front of left foot for driver by 6 inches then shading back and the results were SWEET!

Bent Right Wrist stayed perfectly still! The Pivot did all the work lagging the TSP takeaway up and down! So good to be able to step through a shot! Here is some TSP relevant research to the RFAOA (right Forearm Angle of Approach).

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Keen insight from Lynn about Impact Fix and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach!

These quotes from Lynn might help in addition and are found here:
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ned+shoulder+p lane#post40634



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Directing Thrust At An On Plane Aiming Point
Originally Posted by rchang72
Just wanted to get input on this. I drew a couple sketches of my impressions of the inclined plane.






My understanding is that we continue the downstroke through impact towards the low point with the down, out and forward. Only then does one come upward into the finish.

So should the actual aiming point along the plane line that is underground (i.e. a little forward of the impact point, and more outside the target line)? Any thoughts?

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Very nice, rchang! Because your simple question demands a not so simple answer, I have actually given two answers: the Basic Answer (Item #3) and the Advanced Version (Item #6). Accordingly, I've moved your post to the Advanced Section where any discussion of points #4-#6 should take place. Hang on...this is going to get a little sticky, especially for the newer students.

1. The Target Line could also be labeled the Impact Point Plane Line, and the line passing through the Low Point could be labeled Low Point Plane Line. There should be nothing mysterious about these lablels: They merely identify parallel lines that co-exist on the face of the same Inclined Plane and that pass through two defined points.

2. The Impact Point Plane Line does indeed rest atop the ground, whereas the Low Point Plane Line is in the ground, but again, on the same Inclined Plane.

3. Here then, is the Basic Answer to your question: Because the two Lines are parallel, when you point at one -- with the Tracing Right Forearm and #3 Lag Pressure Point -- you simultaneously point at the other. Therefore, it is sufficient to direct your Thrust at -- but through! -- an Aiming Point on the Impact Point Plane Line.

But, as promised, there is more!

4. The Three-Dimensional Direction of Thrust -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- will be that defined by the Delivery Path of the Hands (7-23). This concept is most clearly illustrated by Photo 10-23-A #1.

5. This Delivery Path Line of Thrust is established at Impact Fix and is parallel to the Right Forearm Angle of Approach: Note (1) the Right Forearm in Photo 10-19-A #2 is pointing directly at the Impact Point Plane Line but well in front of the Ball; and (2) that the Right Forearm is parallel to the Delivery Path. Thus, the Right Forearm Angle of Approach precisely defines:
a. The parallel Delivery Path of the Hands;

b. The Right Forearm's own Cross Line (but On Plane) Thrust through Impact; and also

c. The Angle of Approach of the Clubhead (through the Inside Aft qadrant of the Ball where the eye directs the Delivery Path Thrust via Pressure Point #3 (7-3 and 7-11).
[Note: Photo 10-19-A #2 is meant to depict Drive Loading, not the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. This is the first time -- and possibly the last -- that I will use a photo for a purpose beyond its captioned intent. The reason I've done so is that there is no better photo in the book with which to illustrate this esoteric concept.]

6. So, here then, is the Advanced Answer to your question: The Aiming Point -- established at Impact Fix -- is located at the intersection of the Impact Point Plane Line and the Three-Dimensional Line of Thrust defined by Delivery Path of the Hands and its parallel Right Forearm Angle of Approach. It is precisely down that Line that you direct your #3 Pressure Point Thrust -- Down Plane through the Impact Point and Low Point until Both Arms are Straight (1-L-15).
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02-09-2005, 10:10 AM

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The Angle Of The Turned Shoulder Plane Angle
Originally Posted by EdZ
Great post lynn.

From a hypothetical view point -

If the impact point plane line and the 'underground' plane line were the same (the ball on a tee, exact, perfect low point separation). What angle with the ground would an 'ideal' line of thrust be for the right forearm?
(Assume a perpendicular to the ground primary lever, and turned shoulder plane).
From a down-the-Line view, the Right Forearm during Impact will be on the angle of the Turned Shoulder Plane. This Ideal Plane Angle should not be thought of in terms of an absolute degree of Tilt. Instead, it will vary:

1. From Club to Club (Steeper for the shorter Clubs and Flatter for the longer Clubs per 7-5/6/7);

2. Between Hitters and Swingers (the Shorter Shoulder Turn of the Hitter requires a Steeper Plane per 2-H); and

3. From Player to Player (the less flexible players may have a shorter Shoulder Turn and therefore use a Steeper Plane).
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02-09-2005, 11:38 AM

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Establishing The Clubshaft's Forward Lean
Originally Posted by EdZ
Thanks, I'll have to incubate a bit on the shoulder turn vs. plane, which while it makes sense, I wonder if it is more a matter of anatomy than geometry.

What would your perspective be from a face on view?
The Clubshaft's Forward Lean (2-J-2) through Impact and the Right Forearm's Angle of Approach are dictated by:

1. Club design (2-G);

2. Plane Angle and the consequent Clubhead Line Of Flight (2-N-O);

2. Ball Location (3-F-7-E); and

3. The degree of Right Wrist Bend established at Impact Fix (6-C-2-A).
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