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Pivots occur naturally when the Shoulder Turn, in order to keep Turning, causes other Pivot Components to move.

Swingers Bend the Right Elbow like a "Preacher Curl"...Hitters Bend the Right Elbow like a Right Arm "Cable Pull".....


Once you Start a Pivot Controlled Procedure (it's extremely difficult to Switch) you complete the swing by monitoring the Pivots direction Control of the Clubhead.

Hey D, you're on fire these days. Great info and effort.

Im thinking:

-first sentence above assumes 10-15-B Delayed, no? Using 10-15-A Standard Hip Action, the Hips lead and pull the shoulders in both directions. Its "Hula, Hula" not just "Hula". Not so common anymore but I think Luke does this. You know all this and more, I realize, it was you that introduced me to Hip Action. Just clarifying things for the folks following along at home.

-dont know what you mean by "Cable Pull" exactly, but one point that Lynn corrected in my Hitting Stroke and/or perception of things, might relate to this. Namely, an elbow saw or piston like right arm fold , while displayed in the Alignment Golf DVD by V.J. during the chipping, hinging discussion, is really verging on a Push Basic Stroke. One variation available to us in terms of Elbow Position, but recommended for short shots only. These little shots can of course also be executed using a less piston like Punch Elbow with an associated increase in Fanning in the Fanning/Bending mix.

Per 10-3-C PUSH. "From an "up-and-out" Elbow Position, which keeps the Hnads always between the Elbow and Ball.............heavy pushing action........This is essentially a Hitting procedure for less than full power. .............It produces an automatic Vertical Hinging. Moved "cross lIne" it produces an automatic Angled Clubface Hinging." Some omissions for brevity by me.

I had mistakenly been morphing a more linear, less fanning right arm into my full swing startup, thinking this was the Hitters ideal. Not Keereckt. Wrong-o.

Per 10-3-A PUNCH. "From a "down- and-at-the-side" Elbow Position whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a straight-line Right Hand Punch is delivered through Imapct (6-E). Per 6-C-2-A and 7-19. Except with a 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a "Fanning" type of motion, not a "Linear" Push Stroke type of motion (10-3-C).

So to my mind anyways, the swingers and hitters elbow positions (and therefore their Major Basic Strokes and associated Right Forearm Takeaways) can if you so choose have more in common than they do differences. The Pitch Elbow vs a Punch Elbow that touchs the side of the body, for instance, necessitating a similar though not exactly the same RFT, Fanning and Bending wise. Coming into the ball as well. Smaller pulley wheel too? Later release of #2? Still doing some thinking on these but Im thinking the answer is yes.

And now for something shocking........what if the Right Arm didnt Fan but rather was Fanned? By the Pivot in Startup! Leaving the Right Arm to simply bend, actively, on its own. You need a Pivot in Startup! Golf is a motion, dont freeze things up, lock things down. Its a dance and one you hopefully do like no one is watching. Let er go.


-In terms of the difference between Pivot controlled Hands and Hand Controlled Pivot, I submit the following. The "always under plane", "distructive" shoulder turn takeaway that Mr Kelley refered to, is a Pivot that takes the hands with it in the direction that it, the pivot is going (Back). The correction for this does not necessarily imply a different pivot per say but rather the addition of Plane Line Tracing by the Hands. Ultimately resulting in the Pivot going its way (Back) while the Hands go their, separate way (UP) on the backswing. A far superior method to a Pivot controlled Hands procedure that attempts to have the Shoulders make the Arms arrive at Top on the appropriate Arm Plane. A way too steep turn of the shoulders resulting and unnecessary. So Pivot goes Back , Hands go Up. Two different directions of movement. Divide and prosper.

Start down is a somewhat different deal where, assuming a Turned Shoulder Plane and Axis Tilt etc, the Right Shoulder takes the Power Package down the TSP, they ride it together the Right Shoulder providing the initial power until the Hands accelerate away from the Shoulders and continue down plane on their own power.


Thanks for all the great posts of late Daryl. Are you playing any, these days?
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