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Yip...that is what I was going for. i have learned when talking about "open" this and "close" that that is is important to know what it is closed to! I hit nice drawy shots with an "open" clubface all the time! Open to the straight line extending from the ball to the flag stick i.e. target line, but closed in relation to my plane line which is rotated closed in relation to the face which of course is open in relation to the original target line!