[Mike O]

Did I tell you that Meth was not really good for you!? Let's see if I follow you " I need to hit the outside to hit a fade" but then you also said "If I hit the outside of the center line you'd probably end up with some sort of yank duck hook deal1?"
RED- ADDED
Personally, I'd say that you'd need to hit the inside for a draw, the outside for a big hook relative to the target line "centerline" and the outside for a draw and the outside for a big hook! relative to the clubhead force "centerline". The only difference between your post and mine (I know you'll tell me your version of the difference in you reply post- if your brain cells aren't completely gone) is that I can make mine make sense- the question is: Can you make your post make sense? And no- another hit of Meth - although you think it's going to help you think clearly- trust me it's not!!

Bring it lard bucket! YOU Big .... never mind I don't want to get a lifetime ban from the forum - It's tempting but I need to hold back!

P.S. If you pick on my boy Neil one more time - I swear I will drive to North Carolina and it won't be pretty!

You are an idiot! Ah-Oops, that's my own post. OK.....

Here's my answer- to explain my "answer above". When you are looking at drawing or fading- it's the divergence of clubface direction versus clubpath direction/force that creates a contact point and force that are not centered to the ball and therefore create spin. Since the clubhead is coming down, out and forward (on plane.... Well that wouldn't apply in Bucket's case but let's set aside exceptions!) - if it hasn't reached low point yet- then the most important context is the direction of the path of the clubhead force- that would determine your "centerline" - then if the contact point based on the clubface position is "outside" of that center line and below the "centerline" you'll draw it- "inside and below" you will fade it. The target line is really irrelevant in that sense- but if you wanted to use the target line for determining the "center line" and you're coming down that plane- clubhead moving down, out and forward- contacting before lowpoint, then you'd have a little room to have the clubface be closed in relation to the path of the clubhead but still hit the inside quadrant AS MEASURED BY THE TARGET LINE and NOT THE MORE RELEVANT CLUBHEAD PATH/FORCE CENTERLINE- creating a draw. But at some point for larger draws or hooks you'd even hit the outside lower portion of the ball AS MEASURED BY THE TARGET LINE.