Thanks Etzwane. Btw, is a hip bump the same as planting my left heel?
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Angled Hinging -- Feels And Reals
Originally Posted by tgmer
Yoda,
You teach me fanning the right forearm on the takeaway, but it seems that Ted does not have much fanning at the beginning and the clubface appears to be closed going back...and closed at the top. Why is that?
Danny,
Ted is using the Angle of Approach procedure with its steep Plane (2-J-3-B) and you are using the geometric Plane Line (the straightline baseline of the Turned Shoulder Plane). Therefore, his Angled Hinging appears to Fan less than yours -- Angled Hinging on a steep Plane approaches Vertical Hinging -- even though you are both using the same procedure.
Also, he hits the Ball very hard, and the Ball stays on the Clubface longer. Therefore, the Slice producing characteristic of Angled Hinging is greater than normal, and to compensate, he must Close the Clubface more than normal.
You're on the right track, Danny. Stay with it.
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The Hitter's Derived Inclined Plane
Originally Posted by EC
Yoda,
1-L, #6. The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other.
Ted's impact alignments are MARVELOUS, and even though his procedure does not follow the above dictum to the full extent ...aren't predictable impact alignments the end that we all should be seeking?
Eddie,
For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).
The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.
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Thanks Etzwane. Btw, is a hip bump the same as planting my left heel?
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I'd say, depends on where you're re-planting it. It's easy to stay with the weight on the right side and plant the heel inside of where it was at adress, producing spinout.
I'd say, depends on where you're re-planting it. It's easy to stay with the weight on the right side and plant the heel inside of where it was at adress, producing spinout.
1st round 96, 2nd round 81.
Started this morning at 6:45am on a beautiful day deciding on a pattern of straightening my right leg on the backswing and pushing off the inside of the back foot.
Produced a consistent fade except when i was coming over the top! Also had no chipping or putting rhythm and slopped it around badly.
2nd "18" used a knee/knee Swing (forgot about the Angle Hinge and hit some frozen ropes for the first time ever!!! one-two, 1/2, knee/knee and the club whipped up and down!
Suddenly I was shorter than the club pro by only 10 yards and ahead of the other part of our foursome. Stationary head produced a very satisfying controlled baby draw unless I opened the face. Went away from forcing the putting of my chips from all around the green in exchange for "dragging the mop" with a slight knee -knee pop. Also made level wrists on the putter my goal and got my putts much closer burning lots of edges. Much better1 No birds but lots of pars!
I even splashed out nicely from three bunkers! Follow through is important in a bunker!
Does a Hitter do a knee-knee Pivot also just using a Paddle Wheel to come down and Angle of Approach?
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Hitting Down (And Other Matters)
Originally Posted by mabramb
As much as I've tried I can't seem to get the hang of hitting down on the ball during the full swing (have pretty good success in chipping and punch shots).
My question is this... would aiming my hands to a location and not aiming the clubhead "at the ball" assist me in striking down on the ball during a full swing. The aiming point concept is something I find vague but I believe has (or could have) tremendous value. I'm very frustrated in the quality of contact with my full swing and lose a lot of distance and have a higher than "should be" ball flight because (I believe) of my inability to consistently hit down on the ball.
Michael
Welcome aboard, Michael, and thanks for this first post. Keep'em comin'!
Your problems -- lack of 'Down', Distance and desirable Ball Flight -- are due to Throwaway (6-D-0). And there is a high probability it follows the usual sequence: Hand Throw from the Top followed by Over-Acceleration in the Downstroke and Quitting through Impact (6-D-1/2/3). The cure, basically, is learning to swing the Club correctly.
My guess is that you have Off Plane Shoulder Rotation in the Start Down combined with the aforementioned early Hand Throw Release and Wrist Bend (a Horizontal Motion) through Impact. You need to substitute an On Plane Start Down of the Right Shoulder and Hands; a positive Lag Loading; and a strongly Downward Left Wrist Uncocking (a perpendicular motion) through Impact.
So, conceding the constraint of an unseen Stroke, do the following:
1. Leaving your Hands at the Top, begin your Start Down with a slight Hip 'bump' parallel to the Target Line. This move will correctly Load your Left Wrist (and the Lag) On Plane.
2. Drag this Loaded Left Wrist directly toward the Target Line in the Downstroke.
3. Then, sensing the Throw-Out Action of Centrifugal Force in Release, Throw the Club strongly Downward -- directly toward the ground -- with a vigorous Uncocking of the Left Wrist.
These moves are not a band-aid cure. Instead, they are fundamental to a sound Swing. With a little practice, your Swing will improve, and when your Swing improves, your Shots will improve.
That's the way it works.
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Well, I tried the "Arrow in the Quiver" drag loading today and hit the gobbersnot out of my drives! The ground was hard and fast and a few errant punch-outs cost me 3 "7's." I finished with an 86.
Level left wrists, knee leads lagging backstroke and I pull the handle directly away from the target parallel to the target line producing a lively draw.
As I pull like crazy, my left heel plants, my left hip opens and the ball goes bang off the driver, and zzzzzz off the irons and hybrids and it goes far!
What's really odd is doing it from Impact Fix and producing towering five yard fades!
The ground was so hard that I had to abandoned my 52 degree wedge and chipped exclusively with my 60 degree wedge.
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Tomasello in Golf Digest
I met Tommy in the early 80's. When Davis Love lll was in college there was an article in Golf Digest about how he hit it so far. Davis Love Jr. and Tommy discussed his "Magic Move". I remember Tommy saying it was a tricky move, like drawing an arrow out of a quiver. Does anyone remember that article? Any comments about the "Magic Move"? I thought it was interesting that Tommy influenced Davis Love Jr.'s teaching.
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Tommy does actually go into the "drawing an arrow out of a quiver" in one of these clips. Dave would be able to tell you where it was exactly for sure. It's just as you said it was in the book.
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Re: Tomasello in Golf Digest
Originally Posted by mpw
I met Tommy in the early 80's. When Davis Love lll was in college there was an article in Golf Digest about how he hit it so far. Davis Love Jr. and Tommy discussed his "Magic Move". I remember Tommy saying it was a tricky move, like drawing an arrow out of a quiver. Does anyone remember that article? Any comments about the "Magic Move"? I thought it was interesting that Tommy influenced Davis Love Jr.'s teaching.
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Tom lived in Atlanta for some time. He probably met Davis then.
I think Tom got the "drawing an arrow out of a quiver" right from 10-19-C-- Drag Loading.
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If my memory is correct, that sub-section of the Golf Digest article was a debate (panel discussion) by a few golf professional (mostly those on the Golf Digest Advisory Staff) on what they thought allow Davis Love III to hit the ball so far.
Lagster is correct on the 10-19-C.
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Thanks for the replies, and thanks for this forum. It's really helping me understand the TGM.
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Originally Posted by mpw
I met Tommy in the early 80's. When Davis Love lll was in college there was an article in Golf Digest about how he hit it so far. Davis Love Jr. and Tommy discussed his "Magic Move". I remember Tommy saying it was a tricky move, like drawing an arrow out of a quiver. Does anyone remember that article? Any comments about the "Magic Move"? I thought it was interesting that Tommy influenced Davis Love Jr.'s teaching.
After listening to my Tomasello 3 day school audio tapes....the Magic Move mentioned above....it's the "Magic of the Right Forearm". Tommy had a very specific why of teaching it. It's indirectly mentioned in Davis Love Jr's book "How to Feel a Real Golf Swing" in the discussion about how Davis Love III learned to drive a ball 350 yards. I highly recommend the book...
Another point about the "Magic Move" being tricky....it takes some getting use to the right forearm starting the downswing.
It's interesting that the "Magic of the Right Forearm" didn't appear in the book until the 6th edition. I know Tomasello was working with Homer at the time the 5th edition came out. Just don't know the exact date that Tommy made his first phone call to Homer.
Books to checkout with the right arm involved with swinging:
Mark Evershed's "The Golf Solution"
Davis Love Jr's/Bob Toski "How to Feel a Real Golf Swing"
John Jacob's "Practical Golf"
Ernie Els "How to Build a Classic Golf Swing"
All of the texts mention above are in line the Magic of the Right Forearm approach that Tommy taught...active arms and quite body (responding pivot).
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My left side instinctively planted and braced as I told my hands to "pull the arrow from the quiver." It was much like throwing a football in the planting and pulling the hand or a very large "wheel rim" procedure right from the top. As long as my head was steady and watching the ball, the shot stayed on line. Again, what was strange was getting my normal distances with an Angle Hinge, carry back and longitudinal acceleration = very high fades with 8 iron plus needing to adjust the face closed to some degree.
I have to experiment with my right leg straightening ala Jones and Mike Austin to see if more power and accuracy are available to this duffer!
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Mike Austin = "Pause N Throw" =Longitudinal Acceleration sort of....
I am a natural scientist. Could you tell? I want the "why and how?" I have the "Pause N Throw" which works pretty well and now I know that Mike Austin and his guys do a good job accelerating away from the target line.
Of course, TGM and Lynn Blake explained this very well! Longitudinal Acceleration helps small people drive the ball as far as tall people! It is the technique that multiplies Pivot Power, imho, controlled by the hands.
One last thing for now, Lynn teaches that the club has to be traveling "Down, Out and Forward." In the following video, one of my favorites, the Longitudinal Acceleration from a "down the line" point of view appears to be moving down as it comes toward the viewer! To quibble, one might say that the club head moves "away from the target, down, out and forward" but it looks down from down the line.
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Also had no chipping or putting rhythm and slopped it around badly. 
No birds but lots of pars!
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