All three, to me, seem to be using Centrifugal Force....
just a guess....
I got more, its coming, trust me.
Patrick
All three are using CF.
Phillygolf,
I’m sorry. Except for truly looking forward to meeting Bucket and playing golf with him, that last post was just my wry and dry sense of humor. Bucket has a great sense of humor and a great wit and I was just trying to keep up with him. Also I won’t take money from him. But everything else was just Sunday Quarterbacking.
Hogan was a great Ball Striker and maybe in the top ten Golfers in the History of the game. Sergio is a remarkable young talent. He is one of the very few players I really enjoy watching play. Yoda is Masterful. His body will swing the club anyway his mind tells it to AND with all 24 components behaving themselves. Ben Hogan and Yoda would have been great friends.
One Truth:
When I see a picture of a Golfer at Release, and the Clubface is looking down at the Planeline, then I know he is using Simultaneous Release. Then, when I see the same Golfer use a Pitch Stroke (Elbow position at Release) then I know he is not Hitting. It’s simple.
One More Truth:
Most Pros cock both Wrists and use the muscles in their Forearms to HELP whack the ball. How much HELP depends on the Pro. Some more, some less. They know where impact is which means that they know where their hands, arms, body and Clubhead is at all times. Millions of swings and Millions of balls with Tons of Talent and remarkable Hand-eye coordination.
Another Truth:
If you get a Job at a Golf course, and play with the guys every day, and hit balls every day, and if you have a little talent and a little hand-eye coordination, then after two years you’ll be a scratch Golfer. If you have remarkable talent, then you may be able to play on the mini-tours.
One more thing:
There may be thousands of Golfers in the world that are better Ball Strikers and more knowledgeable about Golf Swing Mechanics than the Pros. Some of them participate on this website. I’m not one of them. The difference between them and the pros may be as little as one put per round.
Dear Bucket,
The Clubshaft is On Plane. I agree. But it's too far Up Plane because his Right Wrist is Cocked. His impact needs some really critical timing. He has the talent and dedication and is able to make it work.
However, if he Leveled his Right Wrist, he could Horizonal hinge. Would he benefit? I'm not qualified to say. But Yoda did that for me and my accuracy is awesome. I can Draw, Fade or hit the ball Straight at will. Every time. My distances increased only slightly but my yardages are always the same. I no longer hit one drive 235 yards and one drive 245.
I always thought that I had a Sequenced Release. I didn't. But now I do. I hit 90% of the fairways at 265 yards Swinging out of my shoes. If I Cock my Right Wrist, I hit 50% of the fairways. Precision.
Daryl,
How difficult was it for you to get away from cocking the right wrist and how did you go about it? I've tried at time to focus on maintaining what I think is a "truly" level right wrist (I'm pretty sure I normally cock it a little bit) and it's amazing just how "frozen" the hands feels compared to my normal right hand action. At the same time I was always surprised at how far shots would still go when trying to keep that RW level. I think I've made so many swings in my golf career that I revert back to what "feels" like it will create more power (which I think is why many players cock the RW). The old "feel vs real" thing.
On a related note, can you "overbend" the right wrist?
All three, to me, seem to be using Centrifugal Force....
just a guess....
I got more, its coming, trust me.
Patrick
Yes . . . here in is where the answer lies . . . I believe
Daryl,
Question for you:
I totally agree that Sergio Garcia has unbelievable eye hand coordination . . . BUT I don't think it is necessarily manifested in his long game.
Do you really think with the kind of angles forces and speed he creates that he can control the all of that with his hands? Are his hands that good? Or could it be a combination of things?
How difficult was it for you to get away from cocking the right wrist and how did you go about it? I've tried at time to focus on maintaining what I think is a "truly" level right wrist (I'm pretty sure I normally cock it a little bit) and it's amazing just how "frozen" the hands feels compared to my normal right hand action. At the same time I was always surprised at how far shots would still go when trying to keep that RW level. I think I've made so many swings in my golf career that I revert back to what "feels" like it will create more power (which I think is why many players cock the RW). The old "feel vs real" thing.
On a related note, can you "overbend" the right wrist?
CG
Yoda showed me in 10 seconds. Stationary head. I said to him: "My head is as stationary as a rock! and he said: No, but it's a lot like a rock! lol) As soon as he made me keep a stationary head (he yelled: Cover the BAll!) and turn my hands at Startup, my right wrist stopped Cocking as my Right Shoulder went back to the Plane (he also hit me in the head a few times to get it to sink in). Then when my Left Hand Uncocked a split second before impact, I felt my right wrist Roll (Swivel) into Imact for the first time in my life. My Left Wrist even arched because my hands were so far ahead of the ball at impact. It made a very different sound. We both grabbed a drink and went out and shot 2 over par.
Yoda needed the drink to recover from the first ten minutes of my lesson. I needed one to celebrate.
Yes . . . here in is where the answer lies . . . I believe
Daryl,
Question for you:
I totally agree that Sergio Garcia has unbelievable eye hand coordination . . . BUT I don't think it is necessarily manifested in his long game.
Do you really think with the kind of angles forces and speed he creates that he can control the all of that with his hands? Are his hands that good? Or could it be a combination of things?
Talk to me . . .
It's not his hands. Really, it's not his hands.
It's not hard for him to control. Simultaneous Release is simpler procedure if you cock both wrists. He has a very late release. He's extreme. CF and the Endless Belt Effect get the clubhead (and Clubshaft) to the ball perfectly every time. His rate of acceleration is awesome. Straight line delivery path.
I agree with you 100%. His hand Eye coordination is best displayed in his short game. No doubt about it. Thats true of every pro. They can do a lot of wrong but when they swing the club more slowly, their hand-eye coordination saves the day.
On a related note, can you "overbend" the right wrist?
CG
Yes you can and most TGM Golfers do. The Correct Bend of the Right Wrist is determined at Impact Fix. If you're a Hitter, then get that amount of Bend at Startup and Keep it there. If you're a swinger, then LOOK at the amount of Right Wrist Bend at Impact Fix, then call Ted or Lynn for a lesson.
Is it possible by practicing the "waggle" of a standard start-up to get the feel of how the right wrist bends and does not cock as the left hand turns and cocks. I have found this helpful by isolating the movement to develop the feel of maintaning a level right wrist.
Is it possible by practicing the "waggle" of a standard start-up to get the feel of how the right wrist bends and does not cock as the left hand turns and cocks. I have found this helpful by isolating the movement to develop the feel of maintaning a level right wrist.
I don't know. My Right Wrist only Bends when my Left Wrist Flattens. This only occurs after my Left Wrist Uncocks. Then my Left Wrist Flattens and my Right Wrist Bends.
I use a Stong Single Action Grip. Do This: Put you Palms together in front of you. Make all of the fingers and Thumbs touch eachother (Like you're praying). Then, hold your Right Wrist and Hand Still and only Cock your Left Wrist until the fingers of your Left Hand are at right angles (more like 45 degrees) to the fingers of your right hand. Now: Bend your Right Wrist. Your Right Wrist is Bent and Level. Your Left Wrist is Level and Flat. Impact.
Here is how to apply that to your Golfclub. When you hang from a chin-up bar, the bar is across your hands at the base of your fingers. Both Wrists are Cocked when you do a Chin-up. That's a good grip for a sledge hammer, but not a golfclub. Set the Golfclub Head on the floor. When you grip the club with the left hand the shaft crosses the fingers and palm at a very different angle than when doing a Chin-up. Thats good because your Left Wrist is at Level when the Golfclub Head is on the Ground. Open your left hand and look at that angle. Grip the Club with your Right Hand and use the same angle that your Left Hand uses.
Now when you Bend your Right Wrist your Left Wrist will Flatten. If you bend your right Elbow your Left Wrist can Cock and your Right Wrist can stay level. That is Single Action.
On a related note, can you "overbend" the right wrist?
Overbent right wrist = arched left wrist
Do you mean: Is it ok to Arch the Left Wrist? Absolutely. Late Release, it will be Arched. The amount of Bend in the Right Wrist is determined by BAll Position, Amount of Right Elbow Bend and how far ahead of the ball your hands are at impact, given a stationary head. Not everyone who trys a late release will have an arched left wrist. If your rate of accelleration is great, then the clubhead will catch up before your hands get too far ahead. It's possible and desireable for those with a Late Release to have a Flat Left Wrist at Impact. That would always be my goal. If you Arch the Left Wrist you Deloft the Clubface.
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