Please explain,I,m confused,I have been pointing my shaft at target line,mind you,the hit is still good,perhaps a little low,but they fly straight as arrows.(the good ones).I realise you are saying,"ignore shaft",but ,what and how do we ensure c/head is on plane,if in fact the clubshaft is more vertical,would this make one feel "lag" more so?.This is a great thread guys ,me,I still looking for answers.Dont think I,ll ever go back to swingers pattern again,love the feel of the "HIT"
Angle of Approach isn't the only way. It is one way. You can still use 10-5-A to Hit. It makes it easier to switch between patterns, if that's a desire.
Please explain,I,m confused,I have been pointing my shaft at target line,mind you,the hit is still good,perhaps a little low,but they fly straight as arrows.(the good ones).I realise you are saying,"ignore shaft",but ,what and how do we ensure c/head is on plane,if in fact the clubshaft is more vertical,would this make one feel "lag" more so?.This is a great thread guys ,me,I still looking for answers.Dont think I,ll ever go back to swingers pattern again,love the feel of the "HIT"
When you get your book you'll want to study 2-J-3. There you'll find the Delivery Line options.
The basic Delivery Line is the True Geometric Plane Line. This one, per 1-L-6, you point at with the clubshaft. Point at the Plane Line NOT the Target Line. There is also, the one being discussed in this thread, the 2-J-3-B straight line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. It's what is known as a "Visual Equivalent". This one you cover with the Clubhead and ignore the clubshaft.
Be sure to read the link Yoda gave in his post #15 in this thread. Also, as he recommended, use the search function and search for Angle of Approach. There are quite a few good threads on this website.
Good luck! As you'll find Angle of Approach is a tricky subject, but certainly one that can be understood.
Last edited by gmoney_69 : 12-07-2007 at 11:48 AM.
It depends on what is doing the tracing (of the Arc of Approach).
If you use your Right Forearm to trace, there is no bending of the Geometric Plane Line (the Baseline of the Inclined Plane). Remember, the Right Forearm simply is not long enough to cover the Arc of Approach; hence, it can only trace it. As the Right Forearm traces the Arc of Approach, the Clubheadcovers it (and the Clubshaft remains On Plane and pointing at the Plane Line).
However, if you use the Clubhead to trace, then you are correct. In this instance, the Plane Line will indeed be bent. In fact, it will be bent anew every split second of the stroke.
Yoda, aren't the arc of approach, angle of approach and plane line on one and the same plane? It would seem to me to be the case so the right forearm to trace these at the same time.
Understanding and Utilizing Delivery Line Illusions
Originally Posted by plgolfer
Yoda, aren't the arc of approach, angle of approach and plane line on one and the same plane? It would seem to me to be the case so the right forearm to trace these at the same time.
More precisely, the two Visual Equivalents (of the Geometric Plane Line) -- the Arc and Angle of Approach -- are the illusions that appear to the player to be on the ground. It is the Arc and Angle of Attack that are on the Inclined Plane itself.
When you use the 'on the ground' Angle of Approach as the Delivery Line, you abandon the original Plane Angle (with its Geometric Plane Line) and substitute a steeper one erected on the Angle of Approach. The Right Forearm then traces the new 'Inside-Out' Baseline, and the Sweetspot covers it.
Apology to Lynn if i have done wrong by ediing footage and reposting but i found this helpful.
Sorry - link not working - it is at about 3 mins 35 seconds in the preshot routine hitters section with Lynn and Ted.... Ted's target line plane line "evaporates" and all he then ses is the "dleivery line"...going from 7-1 o' clock ( if 12 is the target)....
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The Right Forearm then traces the new 'Inside-Out' Baseline, and the Sweetspot covers it.
Thanks Yoda for clearing up the difference between approach and attack angles.
The sweetspot can only cover the angle of approach during the interval of ball to low point? Beyond these two points the sweetspot will cover an arc of approach?
The sweetspot can only cover the angle of approach during the interval of ball to low point? Beyond these two points the sweetspot will cover an arc of approach?
No. The covering happens much longer than that, not just from Impact to Low Point.
Thanks Yodasluke. Just came back from the practice range using the angle of approach. Experimenting with hitting I'm more accurate with hitting. I looked at the video of you with Lynn, and noticed that your left shoulder barely moved at start up and then left arm loads against the chest during the backstroke(pp4 loading). At start down do you feel pp4 loading increase? This is what I felt and thought I should clarify whether this is compatible with hitting. This site is really great.
- Setup with 10-5-A Plane Line.
- Ball Position set with Clubface aligned for Angled Hinging.
- Visualize straight line Angle of Approach through Impact and Low Points.
and extended in both directions.
- Grip taken in Impact fix with, per 7-2-3, back of Flat Left Wrist and #3
PP facing down the Angle of Approach.
- Right Forearm "On Plane", Turned Shoulder, and facing down the Angle
of Approach, showing precise Cross-Line direction of Thrust through
Impact.
- Machine setup adjusted per 7-2-4. Flat, Level, and Vertical Left Wrist
with Club soled and aligned for Impact.
- 10-5-A Plane Line evaporates leaving 10-5-E, ONLY, to cover with the
Clubhead
- Make Total Motion with Clubhead covering the Angle of Approach. The
covering creates the steepness of the new Plane. The Delivery, is
then the Wheel Track Motion, with the Right Forearm and #3 PP tracing
the Delivery Line.
I believe this is accurate. This should have alginments set, and verified, per 3-F-5, Forward Press. Grip per 7-2 and Right Forearm alignment per 7-3. And the Delivery per 7-23 Wheel Track Motion.
- Setup with 10-5-A Plane Line.
- Ball Position set with Clubface aligned for Angled Hinging.
- Visualize straight line Angle of Approach through Impact and Low Points.
and extended in both directions.
- Grip taken in Impact fix with, per 7-2-3, back of Flat Left Wrist and #3
PP facing down the Angle of Approach.
- Right Forearm "On Plane", Turned Shoulder, and facing down the Angle
of Approach, showing precise Cross-Line direction of Thrust through
Impact.
- Machine setup adjusted per 7-2-4. Flat, Level, and Vertical Left Wrist
with Club soled and aligned for Impact.
- 10-5-A Plane Line evaporates leaving 10-5-E, ONLY, to cover with the
Clubhead
- Make Total Motion with Clubhead covering the Angle of Approach. The
covering creates the steepness of the new Plane. The Delivery, is
then the Wheel Track Motion, with the Right Forearm and #3 PP tracing
the Delivery Line.
I believe this is accurate. This should have alginments set, and verified, per 3-F-5, Forward Press. Grip per 7-2 and Right Forearm alignment per 7-3. And the Delivery per 7-23 Wheel Track Motion.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything.
That sounds like a good "how to" list - thanks! Helps me alot.
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