Homer wanted you to understand the role of the right arm....
Homer would mention Right Arm Swinging in the book....and usually immediately after would mention something about damaging the right elbow ligaments....
If you're saying that Homer preferred a right arm swing or it's superior or he secretly wanted everyone to do it or w/e....I really disagree. (if that's what you're saying)
C'mon man....obviously you have had success with it.....and good for you....no one should say "no that's wrong"...
And TT was taught by Homer personally, yes.....but he's the only guy I ever (personally) have heard of that really seems to want everyone to do this. (besides you)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean....you can believe whatever the heck you want but I dunno why you're trying so hard to convince everyone else.
It's all about options (the old TGM cliche).....and yes right arm swinging falls in there......(but so do 1000s of other things)
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BTW Jim was not humoring you.....it seems obvious at least to me that he was being genuine.....you just snapped for some reason.
Last edited by birdie_man : 10-02-2006 at 03:13 PM.
Just watch the Tomasello video on power (full power with any golf club)...using the right forearm approach produces more distance than the traditional left arm swing...that's LAW, inescapable LAW.
Please explain this inescapable LAW.
You mentioned that Tomasello taught it....then you said it's law...
Birdieman - Learning TGM
Tom Tomasello - GSED personally trained by Homer Kelley. Taught successful high level amateurs, PGA/LPGA Tour players and PGA Instructors.
Who are you going to listen to?
Next, you'll have to ask yourself...what does Homer Kelley mean by a "Right Arm Swing" in 7-19 and is it the same thing that Tom Tomsello taught.
Then explain away section 7-3 and the Magic of the Right Forearm.
My choice...TT...DG thankfully you are not too distracted by those who either do not want to get a better understanding of TT's pattern or prefer theirs since that is where most of their work has been directed for some time.
Can you PM me the Sports Illustrated PDF ...I am one who appreciates your insights and efforts...I went back and looked at TT's videos...everytime I do I see something I didn't notice before. It always amazes me how in his 70's he was able to really bang the ball (the sound is quite loud) in his letter videos to Lee.
I appreciate your time to send me the Tomasello audiot. I have watched it and thought it was beneficial to my game and my teaching.
However please point out to me where there are "inconcistencies" in my post. I have been messing around with the Tomasello pattern since LAST OCTOBER!
I showed up to a golf school in Orlando that Brian Manzella was doing and was hitting the ball wonderful with it. HOWEVER what i wasn't doing was getting my right shoulder downplane with it. So i modified my pattern for a while so that i could learn how to get that done and my pattern migrated into something different.
Once i could get my right shoudler to go downplane correctly i went back and revisited the Tomasello approach because of the success i had with it (even doing it incorrectly). That was roughly i would say May. From May through June the results were inconsistent because i had a faulty idea of how to perform the backswing with my right forearm. Once i fixed that and started doing it right i had the same type of distance/direction/accuracy as my current pattern.
I will admit the tomasello way is simpler and has less "moving" parts because it employs more of a quiet body however. The bottom line is that it works but i don't see the need to change for me.
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However with this in mind, you are not going to care. To you, the TT right arm swing is the be all end all of the swing which is ashame because TGM is all about OPTIONS not ABSOLUTES.
I will not respond to this thread any longer or anymore of your posts. Again i will thank you again for sending me that CD it was generous of you.
Thanks and i'm DONE.
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I'm not a TGM or PGA certified Pro, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
Birdieman - Learning TGM
Tom Tomasello - GSED personally trained by Homer Kelley. Taught successful high level amateurs, PGA/LPGA Tour players and PGA Instructors.
Who are you going to listen to?
Next, you'll have to ask yourself...what does Homer Kelley mean by a "Right Arm Swing" in 7-19 and is it the same thing that Tom Tomsello taught.
Then explain away section 7-3 and the Magic of the Right Forearm.
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My choice...TT...DG thankfully you are not too distracted by those who either do not want to get a better understanding of TT's pattern or prefer theirs since that is where most of their work has been directed for some time.
Can you PM me the Sports Illustrated PDF ...I am one who appreciates your insights and efforts...I went back and looked at TT's videos...everytime I do I see something I didn't notice before. It always amazes me how in his 70's he was able to really bang the ball (the sound is quite loud) in his letter videos to Lee.
Thanks DG
Oh gimme a break you guys.....so ridiculous....
I've been open minded about this and so has Jim.....I think you've been given you as much as you're gonna get with regards to this....but you seem to want us to take the whole bottle for some reason.
Sorry man TGM is about options. (I'm gonna say it over and over)
I dunno if you're a little on edge cause you're used to being attacked or something.....
Listen....
I've seen TT's videos on here....and yes he teaches that.....and that's great....it is a very valid way to swing and I'm sure it can be very effective for some people (I said that already but it wasn't good enough....just like Jim was trying to be genuine but it wasn't good enough....because RA Swinging has to be SUPERIOR I guess)....and that's great too.....
TT was a GSED taught by Homer, yes.....and that also is GREAT!.....
But TT is not Homer Kelly (you said: "Who are you gonna listen to?").........Homer only wrote one book.....
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How come no one else (there are others, including Lynn) who was taught by Homer exclusively teaches this procedure? (if Homer thought it was best....and if it's superior)
I mean....you just seem to be the only guy who's really really into this.....
Are the rest of us all missing the point?
Is there somewhere in TGM where Homer says it's superior? Has everyone else interpreted it wrong?
(no)
How come he didn't just come out and say it if it's so superior?
It almost seems to me like you've had a great success with this (which is good)....and as a result have maybe have read too much into the book....cause to me you seem to be attaching your own ideas to concepts in there (some of which I don't agree with obviously)....based on your preferences.....which you seem to want to push on everyone.
Doing this of course misses the main point....that being that TGM is about options....(for you this has apparently been clouded cause you think RA Swinging is superior)
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Now....all I can go by is the videos and what you rant about so I dunno if TT taught that all the time to every single person or what the case is.....
But I do know that TGM is about options and you don't seem to want to concede that. I mean, we've all conceded that Right Arm Swinging is an option....I dunno what the problem is.
I know what I think (even if I'm just some random guy learning TGM).....and I think it's pretty fair.
That being:
-RA Swinging is a valid option, can work very well apparently for some people (although I have only heard of you thusfar....although I'll admit it ISN'T taught a lot....but you seem to be very adamant and I'll trust that)....I don't know that it is superior like you seem to be saying....but it is a valid option among a lot of other OPTIONS.
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I'm not gonna argue with you on here cause I don't want to waste my time anymore and I know this will go on and on and on.
(BTW...there is only one reference specifically to Right Arm Swinging in the index...let me know if there's more DIRECT references in the book)
Last edited by birdie_man : 10-01-2006 at 03:03 PM.
Please move on. Thanks but no thanks. Please go start your OWN THREAD...there is plenty of room on this site.
Next...for the golfers who want to learn what Tomasello taught...per/for the administrators of this site, I'm really interested in a positive exchange.
Thank you,
DG
"birdie_man go away.....I don't have much of a response for you so just go away"
K good I don't want to talk about it forever either....
The point is tho you were being ridiculous (and basically tried to tell me I know nothing and TT knows everything) so I had to tell you that.
Last edited by birdie_man : 10-01-2006 at 02:39 PM.
Your observation about fnding something new when watching the Tomasello videos over and over is on the money. It takes some study, but it's worth the effort.
On my lesson tapes, Tomasello makes the humorous comment about being 70 years old and hitting the ball farther them me....and he was just dropping the club on the ball. Effortless power. Solid Technique at 70.
I'll contact you about the PDF.
DG
DG
Got your PDF...thanks it was very interesting. TT had an incredible journey...and he left behind a wonderful pattern that many can enjoy and play good golf. It may not be for everybody...but then there are always other threads.
Many look forward to more....especially next Sunday's segment of your 3-day instruction with TT.
Thanks also to Yoda and his staff who allow us to experience many facets of TGM...Homer would be very proud of his efforts to keep the light burning bright.
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