I have noticed that some folks like to draw a straight line form the ball to the nose to disprove a steady head- that it moves to the side. In my neck of the woods- photography- thats a MONOPOD.
Homer talked of a TRIPOD. The lines would be drawn from the foundation- the feet, both of them - to the eyes. Head stays centered on a tripod.
And any lines drawn to reference Stance Width -- or "between the feet" -- should be from heel-to-heel. Likewise, any 'uphill-downhill' camera 'skew' must be adjusted so that the golfer's Stance is level (horizontal).
Like this:
This correct approach enables the student to separate immediately fact from fantasy.
In 2-H, Mr. Kelley states that the Head Pivot Center is "recommended", but it is "not at all mandatory". That certainly sounds to me like we can have our choice of Head Center or Between the Shoudlers pivots without a lot of serious dissent from HK.
I would appreciate a discussion of the pros and cons of each and why certain players would be better served selecting one over the other. There must be reasons why the Head Pivot Center is recommended by HK, but there also must be reasons why it isn't mandatory.
In 2-H, Mr. Kelley states that the Head Pivot Center is "recommended", but it is "not at all mandatory". That certainly sounds to me like we can have our choice of Head Center or Between the Shoudlers pivots without a lot of serious dissent from HK.
I would appreciate a discussion of the pros and cons of each and why certain players would be better served selecting one over the other. There must be reasons why the Head Pivot Center is recommended by HK, but there also must be reasons why it isn't mandatory.
Homer Kelley (direct quote from recorded discussion):
"Centered Arc. There're some people arguing if it is the back of the neck or the head. I'll just touch on that. I advocate the head because, if you use that as your pivot center, your eyes will tell you when you have moved. You can see under the ball somewhere. Whereas, if you move your head with the back of the neck center, you have nothing there to go by. I don't think it's nearly as dependable. Geometrically, you could say it is more correct, but I have come to some information that says that it is not all that correct or effective either. So, you have to have a stationary Head."
Could the eyes be the Center? or is that just looking to deep into the subject here!!! Last I checked they are located in yer head..on most people one on each side there head...
I don't think it can be judged from one pic guys....that is "more of" a "tripod"....
But I've seen pics of Adam where his head moves more to his right....
"More" of a tripod?
The Head is dead-center at Address, dead-center at the Top and dead-center at Impact.
Indeed, what "more" could be asked?
If you have "seen pics of Adam where his head moves more to his right" -- and assuming you actually are seeing what you think you are seeing -- then Adam Scott has Swayed.
Homer Kelley (direct quote from recorded discussion):
"Centered Arc. There're some people arguing if it is the back of the neck or the head. I'll just touch on that. I advocate the head because, if you use that as your pivot center, your eyes will tell you when you have moved. You can see under the ball somewhere. Whereas, if you move your head with the back of the neck center, you have nothing there to go by. I don't think it's nearly as dependable. Geometrically, you could say it is more correct, but I have come to some information that says that it is not all that correct or effective either. So, you have to have a stationary Head."
That doesn't look "dead center" to me (at the top)....(sorry)...
What happened to "precisely" between the feet? (you said it not me)
It's close...
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And besides....
Is this not the pic that has been altered?
If it is the original DID have the head further back...
Given, it WAS on a slope....but I think that in itself might just make it to be not be a good picture to judge, period. (and it IS only ONE picture...we need more when it's this close- I think)
What do you think?
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BTW I realize that "Swaying" is a Snare in The Golfing Machine....and I definitely respecet and hold Homer Kellys 50 (or w/e) years of research in very high value....but lots of great golfers Sway then.....(and hit it with a very high level of precision- and power).
I just don't think that's an overly bad thing. (esp. with a mid-longer club in your hands....or if you're a slicer or learning to pivot)
I mean.....I'm not advocating a LARGE degree of Swaying....cause you can overdo anything....in MY OPINON though....a little is more than fine. (IMO people)
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I love Homer's work....but I also like to form my own opinions (please no "He did it for 50 years vs. your 10" argument)....and there are tons of options....I think that's important.
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One more thing I'd like to address...
To me....a perfectly stationary (i.e. no movement at ALL) and CENTERED (between the heels) head IS ideal for a machine...(the book is called "The Golfing Machine"...)....but are people built like machines?
Possible that Homer may not have weighed this (human anatomy) as heavily as he should have? (although there is no doubt that in his 50 years or so of reasearch he thought of it)
What do yall think?
He WAS still researching....
(and you still have options anyway...even according to him)
Last edited by birdie_man : 08-26-2006 at 02:31 PM.
In post #74, Mathew offers one possible advantage to the Head Center Pivot -- you can tell if you moved your head because you can see under the ball more.
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