On Plane Motion Practice

[Daryl]

A little thinking will show that the only part of the club that can be on plane in the Impact Interval is the Sweetspot, while the shaft is below the plane.

That's because you're that last person on Earth that thinks the Plane starts at the Clubhead Cog and runs through your Left Shoulder.

[BerntR]

A little thinking will show that the only part of the club that can be on plane in the Impact Interval is the Sweetspot, while the shaft is below the plane.

Your examples are the opposite of what you think. Hogan is pulling from release all the way to his anatomical limit at the finish, while Donald is throwing the arms/club through Impact with his Right Shoulder.

If the hands are under the plane through impact it will be by a very small margin due to the huge ratio of ch speed to hands speed. If there is any serious acceleration going on during the release interval, the hands and sweet spot has to move towards a common plane. The ch speed to hands speed ratio dictates that it can't be otherwise. Slightly above, right on or slightly below are the only viable options - unless we talk about serious swing flaws.

Hogan wished he had three right hands so it goes without saying that he didn't purely drag the club through impact. He must have been applying a lot of pp#1/#3 through the ball. As far as Luke Donald is concerned, throwing is a very ambiguous term the way you use it to describe Donald's release & impact but no matter how I twist the meaning of the term, throwing plus raising the head before impact doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

The thing that intrigues me about this is that the hands to plane stuff seem to make a difference to club face control. Hands that are above the plane will make it easier to close the face towards impact, and sometimes it will make it too easy, ref the dreaded snap hook. Similar, with hands that are under plane early on - as with an OTT problem, the golfer will have big problems squaring the club face before impact.

Seems to me like hands above plane will promote a closing action while hands below plane will tend to keep the face open. Just not sure how it applies to good golfers in real life. Perhaps Daryl is right and that it has to be right on plane through impact.

[HungryBear]

You sound so resolute . Must it always be so? Does one have to manipulate the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to Roll the entire Primary Lever ? I don't when left side Flailing. But I do when swinging my Right Side. Not talking Right Arm Swinging ... I still have the left shoulder as the centre when doing this. (Right Arm Swing being defined by having the Right Elbow as the centre of the Radius)


I do think that as goes one Wedge so must the other to maintain their 90 degree or smaller relationship.

Could not help myself after U added the "smaller"- now that I have called attention to it I will leave it alone.

Let me start with my moving power package parts. There are not that many.
Left arm, wrist and hand- moves at the shoulder only as allowed by the installed hinge and 90 deg pin if dual action is required, The left wrist can cock and uncock only vertical to the hinge. There is no other roll or turn in the left other than a swivel of the arm to plane near top of backswing.
Right arm and hand- The right shoulder has a ball joint at the shoulder, the right elbow can fold and unfold , that is it. the right wrist is fixed and bent, it does not cock or roll.
Thats it, work with those capable movement and move the shoulders and axis to get what u need.

Whe swinging this ENTIRE assembly is Pulled then released as far into follow through as practical.

The center of rotation is my spine.

The right arm, elbow, forearm, hand assembly is thrown into impact with care that the right wedge not just the club is "THROWN" down the plane with a SLAP by the right hand.

Get the RHYTHM right
Get Your BALANCE perfect
Keep your center of rotation (we will call it your "HEAD") stable

In summary, thats how it works for me.

HB

[innercityteacher]

No manipulation of the Right Forearm. Simply keep it On Plane. That's all.

LOL. 24 components. Mix em up any way you want. The Right and Left Wedges are not components.

When I turn my back hip left, I feel such a sensation of driving power in my right forearm and in my # 3 PP that it feels more powerfully like I am driving down plane. But I know I am pulling with the front of my back hip and quiet wedges! So cool!

ICT

[MizunoJoe]

It depends how you define THE plane. I see most guys planing the Right Forearm and Shaft at Impact.

The Plane is the Sweetspot Plane, around which all TGM is based!

Then the guys you are watching are shanking it, which is exactly what anybody will do if they plane the shaft at Impact.

You must plane the Sweetspot.

[HungryBear]

The Plane is the Sweetspot Plane, around which all TGM is based!

Then the guys you are watching are shanking it, which is exactly what anybody will do if they plane the shaft at Impact.

You must plane the Sweetspot.

define sweet spot plane AND how you monitor it- WITH PRECISION

hb

[MizunoJoe]

If there is any serious acceleration going on during the release interval, the hands and sweet spot has to move towards a common plane.

Hogan wished he had three right hands so it goes without saying that he didn't purely drag the club through impact. He must have been applying a lot of pp#1/#3 through the ball. As far as Luke Donald is concerned, throwing is a very ambiguous term the way you use it to describe Donald's release & impact but no matter how I twist the meaning of the term, throwing plus raising the head before impact doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

There is a distinction between the 3-d path the hands move through and where the line between PP#3 and the Sweetspot is tracing. For example in the Turning Shoulder Case(pg 156 - 6th ed) - the Arms hang at Address and take over the vertical element--pointing at and along a line on the ground parallel to the Target Line(not on it). So the hand path and sweet spot don't have to move toward a common plane.

Yes he did - the pressure he felt at PP#3 was lag pressure - a "receiving" pressure. He was pulling all the way in what Morad calls a "cp" swing, in which the lag pressure is felt to pull toward the body mass center. Notice how bent his right arm is through Impact. Donald uses the Morad and TGM "cf" Swing, in which the hands are thrown away from the flywheel - the Right Shoulder. His head raises up to counterbalance the hands moving away.

[MizunoJoe]

define sweet spot plane AND how you monitor it- WITH PRECISION

hb

It's the plane on which the path of the sweetspot moves and you learn to monitor it precisely by practicing driving PP#3 at the required Aiming Point for your Swing with the PIVOT.

[BerntR]

There is a distinction between the 3-d path the hands move through and where the line between PP#3 and the Sweetspot is tracing. For example in the Turning Shoulder Case(pg 156 - 6th ed) - the Arms hang at Address and take over the vertical element--pointing at and along a line on the ground parallel to the Target Line(not on it). So the hand path and sweet spot don't have to move toward a common plane.

Yes he did - the pressure he felt at PP#3 was lag pressure - a "receiving" pressure. He was pulling all the way in what Morad calls a "cp" swing, in which the lag pressure is felt to pull toward the body mass center. Notice how bent his right arm is through Impact. Donald uses the Morad and TGM "cf" Swing, in which the hands are thrown away from the flywheel - the Right Shoulder. His head raises up to counterbalance the hands moving away.

You need a crash course in physics. The only way to produce and maintain different hand path and ch path is to apply force across the shaft. But you say Hogan was only pulling. And moving hands and ch on entirely different planes through impact. It doesn't add up.

[HungryBear]

It's the plane on which the path of the sweetspot moves and you learn to monitor it precisely by practicing driving PP#3 at the required Aiming Point for your Swing with the PIVOT.

Pardon my French; HORSEFEATHERS; I can blindfold U and put a club in your grip and you can't locate the "sweetspot" or "sweetspotplane" without grounding the club or loosening your grip. Never by swinging on any flat plane. Period.

HB