Swing Plane Devices

[whip]

Thanks. So I presume then that if you set the C-plane at the club lie angle so that the head and shaft rest on the plane from start up to the halfway point, then it would be a mistake to try to keep the shaft on the C-plane from halfway point to End (because you are shifting to a steeper plane). That is one of the things I was not clear about, and without your reply I would have just thought that the goal is to keep the shaft on the plane for the entire backswing and downswing.

Also, in the Hogan book I recall he said that the downswing plane is flatter and points a bit right compared to the backswing plane. That is another issue that I am not clear about, as TGM doesn't say that the plane line changes as far as I am aware.

There would be no mistake of swinging the club on a single plane with zero shift, it is just not common and most players are not capable of this. Ideally the golfer should create a two dimensional, flat plane, once he bends the plane line it becomes three dimensional and precision is lost. The plane line should not change, the golfer should always swing along the plane line but not necessarily the flight line.

[sandeep]

Thank you whip. I am sure I will be ordering a C-plane pretty soon. I've been playing for a long time, but the more I understand my swing, the more I realize how crucial the plane is. Usually when things go bad it is because I have gotten off-plane.

[whip]

your welcome, thank you for your interest in the C-plane and in the golfing machine.

[whip]

lynn blakes c-plane prototype plane pads...
i will be working on a video soon to demonstrate the c-plane
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[MizunoJoe]

There would be no mistake of swinging the club on a single plane with zero shift, it is just not common and most players are not capable of this. Ideally the golfer should create a two dimensional, flat plane, once he bends the plane line it becomes three dimensional and precision is lost. The plane line should not change, the golfer should always swing along the plane line but not necessarily the flight line.

I don't see how this could possibly work, as the shaft rotates around the sweetspot, which is the thing that should stay on some plane. If the sweetspot stays on a plane, the shaft cannot.

[whip]

I don't see how this could possibly work, as the shaft rotates around the sweetspot, which is the thing that should stay on some plane. If the sweetspot stays on a plane, the shaft cannot.

Yes you are correct, What couldn't work?

[KevCarter]

I don't see how this could possibly work, as the shaft rotates around the sweetspot, which is the thing that should stay on some plane. If the sweetspot stays on a plane, the shaft cannot.

Joe, our good friend Jeff Evans put together a really good video describing this very thing. Monitoring the shaft plane and sweet spot plane using a devise like Whip's.

I know YODA has written about this as well, but Jeff's video came to mind. Hope it's OK to post it, Jeff is a huge believer in Lynn's work. Hope you are getting better Jeff. We miss seeing your voice!

I can't fiind the reference, but I remember Homer Kelley saying it was VERY important to use a device with this look of a flat plane to learn G.O.L.F. I don't have one yet, but will someday... I had been looking at the pvc devices, and while cheaper, don't give anywhere near the great visual of the C-Plane IMHO.

Kevin

[KevCarter]

Here is a really good explanation tying to Jeff's video I found from Drewitgolf:

As Mike correctly pointed out, hang your Plum Bob (line) from the point where your #3 Pressure Point would be and the weight will pass through the Sweetspot which is a pin point (contrary to what club manufacturers tell you). The Sweetspot LCOG is On Plane. The clubshaft, however, moves from its own Plane to the Sweetspot Plane and back to its own Plane again. So the Clubshaft Plane is always shifting between its own Plane and the Sweetspot Plane. This can be a little confusing.

I think understanding that we need to monitor both sweetspot plane, and shaft plane, while understanding the difference is key...

Kevin

[MizunoJoe]

Joe, our good friend Jeff Evans put together a really good video describing this very thing. Monitoring the shaft plane and sweet spot plane using a devise like Whip's.

Kevin

Thanks Kevin. But here's the problem. In the video, Jeff is rotating the sweetspot around the shaft until it finally lies on the plane board with the shaft. At that point, the sweetspot hasn't shifted planes, but rather its plane gets deformed, making it 3 dimensional. But here's the bigger problem: The job of pp#3 is to feel the sweetspot and if any part of the shaft between pp#3 and the sweetspot touches anything, you will sense that contact point, rather than the sweetspot. The shaft must only touch AIR.

[KevCarter]

Thanks Kevin. But here's the problem. In the video, Jeff is rotating the sweetspot around the shaft until it finally lies on the plane board with the shaft. At that point, the sweetspot hasn't shifted planes, but rather its plane gets deformed, making it 3 dimensional. But here's the bigger problem: The job of pp#3 is to feel the sweetspot and if any part of the shaft between pp#3 and the sweetspot touches anything, you will sense that contact point, rather than the sweetspot. The shaft must only touch AIR.

Understood. Thanks MizunoJoe.

Kevin