The first thing about Pete's swing that jumps out at me is his beautiful Longitudinal Acceleration , Drag Loading, straight line Delivery (Hand) Path. But then in Release Id say he throws the clubhead past the Hands using a Pause Minor Basic Stroke 10-3-J. Intentional Quitting and Throwaway. He's swinging the clubhead as opposed to the Hands in other words, intentionally.
The other way of saying this is "the kid's got a great set of Hands".
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10-19-C....Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.
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That's the thing with the flop shot - most folks think you are getting 'under' it.
No, you are hitting down - the more down the better (and easier) the flop is.
the trick is the setup
Yes, the shot can be done (and at the extreme is done) with throw away
but you'll do a lot better at it if you don't throw it away, and use the setup to leak compression (very open face, aimed way left)
in fact, you can hit these shots with a full roll horizontal hinge action - again, assuming the setup is wide open -
the setup is what allows the compression leak - the rest of the motion is the same as a full swing
That'd be your 1,600 post EdZ, congrats!
I thought maybe Mike was referring to that trick shot where you step on the ball , partially bury it, then skull it to get it to hop up in the air. I took him to literally I guess.
Edz stated my position well. Pete has the handle ahead of the ball at impact. He's not procedurally trying to get the ball up via the clubhead motion- it's the face that is primarily creating the loft/ height of the shot. There's more detail to get into - but that's the essence. That shot is certainly less down than a normal short iron shot - but if you start to try to get under it or hit up - then you've got problems - of course, unless the lie is "tee'd up". This is something that a low single digit handicap golfer would intuitively know - and let's say a 20+ handicapper wouldn't know.
A note to forum posters - anyone with over 1,150 posts - probably has pyschological issues - beware!
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I totally agree with EdZ as well. I personally shy away from intentional throwaway, unless I absolutely have to and the lie is right for me. Ill open it up or move it forward or vertical hinge it but swinging the clubhead is a last ditch resort for me anyways . Not so for everyone though. Its super popular on tour, Geoff O'gilvy does it from everywhere.
Yoda is a master at it too. ... I know that in one of his early videos with V.J., V.J. was talking about kids spending too much time doing these "throwaway" flops with their friends etc and "de learning" the flat left wrist, but I can assure you Yoda has perfected 10-3-J. Ive seen him quite literally spend hours hitting them over the practice bunker at Cuscawilla.
Its breaking a lot of our normal alignments/rules but we are talking about an intentional loss of compression here..... which requires a master's level of execution OR you to be a complete hack. Golf can be so ironic.
Mike respekt but, I'd say Sneaky Pete had a pretty fluffy lie , a wide open face, the ball placed around low point, a hinge action and used some intentional throwaway.....but I could be wrong. What else is new? Thats what I see anyways. He just looks like he's scooting it under the ball to me, cutting the legs out.
Thats interesting OB, especially the line about Ogilvy.
Recently I went to see a local pro who is with the David Leadbetter academy in Belfast.
We worked on my posture at address which had got sloppy with me "sitting down" on my heels and my golf has definitely improved.
The pro worked under Michael Bannon for 5 years and as such he knows Rory McIlroy very well. He told me that Rory plays all his chips and pitches utilising the bounce rather than hands forward hitting down and taught me the shot. My own chipping and pitching has improved immeasurably as a result. It takes practice because the risk of course is the skulled shot over the green but the ball comes off soft and barely rolls when played correctly.
As you said, the kid has some (sneaky) educated hands!
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
I saw Ogilvy at the Memorial , he hit this little 10-3-J chip with no arm motion at all, he looked like Billy Casper putting , hands only , Vertical Hinge ....the ball jumped straight up in the air landed about 2' away and then trickled down the green towards the hole. Jacks greens are really fast so it requires stuff like this .......if you can do it.
V.J. Trolio has a shot where he opens it way up and swings on a super flat , below Hands Only Plane , basically as flat as possible......with bent knees and low, low hands. It takes most of the Down out of the shot and shallows out the Angle of Attack so you can scalp the ground, shave the ball off of a tight lie. No throwaway necessary. Taking away the Down adds a lot of Out given the plane angle so your Arc of Approach is really arched.
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