plane and baseline

[Daryl]

Excellent Picture. No throwaway in that swing. Angled Hinge.

[12 piece bucket]

This isn't the most accurate illustration but I think it may support what Bucket's claim.

The Clubhead is at Impact Location and is continuing downward to Lowpoint while the Hands have already began moving Up and In On-Plane.

There is more to this. Please notice that Hogans Right Arm is Bent at Impact Location. Thrust (Acceleration) will remain Downplane until his Right Elbow Straightens. Therefore, Thrust continues Downplane as the Hands are moving Up and In On-Plane.

Thrust continues after Impact and Separation to Both Arms Straight. Thrust continues even though the Ball is gone.

This pretty much illustrates my point . . . if the hands are leading the clubhead then they are going to reach their lowest point prior to the club . . . assuming the hands and club inscribe something close to a circular type motion . . . of course we have the radius expanding . . . but I think the hands start moving left for the club to continue down and out on plane . . . #3 goes . . . this may be more prevalent the flatter the plane but . . . in my mind this has to happen if the clubhead is lagging the hands. Could be wrong though . . .

Kinda like the rock string dealie . . . the rock flies off at right angles to the radius but the radius continues it circular motion . . . but the rock flies out linear . . . so all the force in a circular motion is linear it direction is the variable that constantly changes . . . so the question would be is the thrust "just there" do to moving the club in a circle on plane or do YOU create the thrust? To me if you keep moving the hands circular the linear throw out happens . . . in swinging anyway.

[Daryl]

This pretty much illustrates my point . . . if the hands are leading the clubhead then they are going to reach their lowest point prior to the club . . . assuming the hands and club inscribe something close to a circular type motion . . . of course we have the radius expanding . . . but I think the hands start moving left for the club to continue down and out on plane . . . #3 goes . . . this may be more prevalent the flatter the plane but . . . in my mind this has to happen if the clubhead is lagging the hands. Could be wrong though . . .

Kinda like the rock string dealie . . . the rock flies off at right angles to the radius but the radius continues it circular motion . . . but the rock flies out linear . . . so all the force in a circular motion is linear it direction is the variable that constantly changes . . . so the question would be is the thrust "just there" do to moving the club in a circle on plane or do YOU create the thrust? To me if you keep moving the hands circular the linear throw out happens . . . in swinging anyway.

Thrust - Acceleration, is created by CF or by Right Arm Straightening by using Triceps muscle. The Force is always down-Plane. Down-Plane means "On-Plane away-from-you". Thrust - Acceleration occurs in a straight Line. The Pivot adds circular motion.

If you move the hands then yes, throwout is inevitable. But, the only way to move your hands is by straightening the Right Arm. During the Downswing, the hands and body are moving together. The hands are relocating and technically moving, but throwout doesn't occur until the Left arm moves away from the chest (same as Right Arm Straightening).

Release begins at the moment when the Right Arm Begins to Straighten.

[slicer mcgolf]

Thrust - Acceleration, is created by CF or Right Arm Straightening by using Triceps muscle.
Release begins at the moment when the Right Arm Begins to Straighten.

I'm having difficulty understanding why CF is created with Right Arm straightening. I know that when acc1 is released, the club does move away from the center but I don't think that it applies a CF to it without other components added to the mix

[Daryl]

I'm having difficulty understanding why CF is created with Right Arm straightening. I know that when acc1 is released, the club does move away from the center but I don't think that it applies a CF to it without other components added to the mix

You're right. For a Swinger, the Left Arm moves away from the chest when Pivot Acceleration subsides.

[slicer mcgolf]

You're right. For a Swinger, the Left Arm moves away from the chest when Pivot Acceleration subsides.

So for a hitter, are you saying cf is created with acc1?

[Daryl]

So for a hitter, are you saying cf is created with acc1?

Sorry, that must be a poorly written post. Accumulator #1 Thrusting (accelerating) overrides CF.

[slicer mcgolf]

That's what I thought. Thanks D

[O.B.Left]

For the pure Swinger that chooses to use only CF, as an option, the left arm "blasts off" the chest as part of the Pivot Train, sequencing deal when the shoulders slow. The period of Arm Acceleration. As the Left Arm moves away from the chest, #4 firing, #1 the right arm must also straighten, but passively , not actively as a Hitters would. CF induced #4 firing.

Both Swingers and Hitters are said to be always "Driving", Thrusting but for the Swinger it is a structured, via Extensor Action, CF induced and passive application of Thrust.

[O.B.Left]

Kinda like the rock string dealie . . . the rock flies off at right angles to the radius but the radius continues it circular motion . . . but the rock flies out linear . . . so all the force in a circular motion is linear it direction is the variable that constantly changes . . . so the question would be is the thrust "just there" do to moving the club in a circle on plane or do YOU create the thrust? To me if you keep moving the hands circular the linear throw out happens . . . in swinging anyway.

This is a great question.

Guys Im thinking that Homer is on record as saying that the Swinger can learn a lot about the proper Impact Alignments from trying Hitting. I believe that the Swinger can learn a lot about the direction of Thrust from Hitting as well.

Lynn has said that he , when swinging, goes back and forth between thinking about Plane Line Tracing and the On Plane Application of Thrust at the Aiming Point. They both have the same Hand Path, are geometric equals but with different intentions. One merely tracing the Base Line with the right forearm and a frozen right wrist , the other similar to throwing a rock, say, from Top at the Aiming Point.

Learning to Thrust will add a lot of zip to the ball, its the geometric correction to Steering, Hitting UP etc. So Swingers Thrust , Straight Line and Down and Out but passively via their Pivot induced CF. Im still wondering about the Swingers Non Automatic Wrist Throw, Trigger. Would that be an Active form of Thrust? Or just lever Extension? My head hurts.

See photos of Diane in 10-19 or 10-20 and take a look at the hard to see little black arrow that points at the ball.