Oh oh, here comes Kanye West again.............."Yo, Bucket , Daryl Im happy for Hogan an Imna let you finish but........Beyonce got the best 30 inches in golf OF ALL TIME".
Beyonce: (a tad bit chunky)
West... A bowling Ball has more brains.
Here's a Picture taken in Canada. Borrowed from a Conservative Canadian Web Site I Visit. Down to earth and real.
I know you don't understand it this way. That's the cause of your confusion.
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6-C-2-A THE ESSENCE If the Pressure Point pressure that produced the initial Clubshaft flex is maintained it will maintain the flex also. So the pressure will be a steady smooth Thrust form the entire Power Package Assembly, and will produce a constant rate of acceleration of the Primary Lever Assembly. If the Pivot moves the Right Shoulder at the same speed as the Power Package – or Primary Lever Assembly – the Accumulators will not be Released by this action until the Right Elbow can straighten. Even then the Clubhead Lag is still maintained – it has NO Release Point. Establish a “normal” Right Wrist Bend for Release – either frozen at some point, or moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point and/or the Basic Stroke changes the Elbow location (10-3) – because the Right Wrist Bend, along with Ball Location and Plane Angle determine the precise RIGHT FOREARM ANGLE OF APPROACH (7-3).
Bold above by Daryl.
O.B. Question for you. It's Not a Trick Question.
When does the Right Arm Begin to Straighten (after the Backstroke)?
A: Right from the Top (correct if you intentionally use a Right Arm Throw or Hand Throw)
B: At Some Point during the Downstroke
C: At Release
Sorry bossmang . . . . Hogan was on plane longer than anybody ever . . .period . . . that's why he was Hogan.
Where do you think Hogan gets on plane and where does he get off plane?
Mike O must slipped some formaldehyde on your pillow case.
I only said that his right forearm wasn't on plane until release.
Is your Hogan Shrine Inside or Outside?
Ok, ok. I'm going about this in the wrong way. How'about'this?
Hogan was the Greatest Golfer to ever live and I sleep with his book under my Pillow. He is my surrogate father. I have pictures of him all over my home and office. Before I Tee off on the First Hole, I face east and say a prayer for Ben Hogan. Hogan is part of the Holy Trinity: Golf Course - Golf Equipment - Ben Hogan.
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Hogan wouldn't know a Plane if you cut a hole in a piece of Glass and stuck his head through it.
I know you don't understand it this way. That's the cause of your confusion.
Ok I think we agree on that. Namely, Im confused by your interpretation of Homer's Magic of the Right Forearm given your non bending right elbow, rigid power package theory.
Per 7-3. "Furthermore, in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist without Bending, Flattening or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at Impact Fix. So, Right Elbow Action either powers and or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM."
Caps by Homer. And lots of right elbow action/bending by Homer too. No mention of raising your hands from the shoulder sockets with a fixed bend at the elbow.
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O.B. Question for you. It's Not a Trick Question.
When does the Right Arm Begin to Straighten (after the Backstroke)?
A: Right from the Top (correct if you intentionally use a Right Arm Throw or Hand Throw)
B: At Some Point during the Downstroke
C: At Release
Answer C: Yes that's correct.
Yes C of course, but Id also add that the right elbow straightens when the left arm moves away from the chest, #4 angle. Or for the Hitters out there , when #1 (ah hem, the right elbow) is actively straightened. We're talking about Release here. It could happen from the Top, a 10-24-A , Full Sweep Release (normally done by good golfers for specialty shots around the green say, or hackers the world over who lack an On Plane shoulder turn in Dowstroke, everywhere and anywhere on the golf course). In any event it is a right shoulder and right elbow deal. Hogan took his right shoulder way down plane in Downstroke, hence his late Release, he having tons of bent right elbow left for the ball. Palmer's right shoulder stayed back, giving him something to thrust against, like a launch pad as he actively extended his right arm at the elbow. etc etc .
To reverse engineer this, to delay your release take your fully bent right arm down the Inclined Plane with your Right Shoulder. (That is the maximum degree of bend achieved at Top or for the Float Loaders out there, Startdown. Yes Float Loading necessitates some more right elbow bending in Startdown to further cock the left wrist.) To do this in an On Plane fashion necessitates the Right Shoulder being on the Inclined Plane in Startdown. If it isnt on the Inclined plane the Right Shoulder will take your Power Package outside the Inclined Plane, an over the top move requiring an inside move to make contact with the ball. Outside to Inside.
Lets have a steak and discuss all of this sometime. Alberta beef, cooked over 1000 year old B.C. soft wood lumber..........you aint buying it so we're burning it at the Morton's up here. Mike Weir cab sauve? Leafs playing the Hawks on TV. Beauty eh? Try to loosen up your right elbow though, if not for grabbing your wallet then at least for the golf course. Are you really telling me your elbow doesnt bend any after Startup?
Ok I think we agree on that. Namely, Im confused by your interpretation of Homer's Magic of the Right Forearm given your non bending right elbow, rigid power package theory.
Per 7-3. "Furthermore, in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist without Bending, Flattening or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at Impact Fix. So, Right Elbow Action either powers and or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM."
Caps by Homer. And lots of right elbow action/bending by Homer too. No mention of raising your hands from the shoulder sockets with a fixed bend at the elbow.
Yes C of course, but Id also add that the right elbow straightens when the left arm moves away from the chest, #4 angle. Or for the Hitters out there , when #1 (ah hem, the right elbow) is actively straightened. We're talking about Release here. It could happen from the Top, a 10-24-A , Full Sweep Release (normally done by good golfers for specialty shots around the green say, or hackers the world over who lack an On Plane shoulder turn in Dowstroke, everywhere and anywhere on the golf course). In any event it is a right shoulder and right elbow deal. Hogan took his right shoulder way down plane in Downstroke, hence his late Release, he having tons of bent right elbow left for the ball. Palmer's right shoulder stayed back, giving him something to thrust against, like a launch pad as he actively extended his right arm at the elbow. etc etc .
To reverse engineer this, to delay your release take your fully bent right arm down the Inclined Plane with your Right Shoulder. (That is the maximum degree of bend achieved at Top or for the Float Loaders out there, Startdown. Yes Float Loading necessitates some more right elbow bending in Startdown to further cock the left wrist.) To do this in an On Plane fashion necessitates the Right Shoulder being on the Inclined Plane in Startdown. If it isnt on the Inclined plane the Right Shoulder will take your Power Package outside the Inclined Plane, an over the top move requiring an inside move to make contact with the ball. Outside to Inside.
Lets have a steak and discuss all of this sometime. Alberta beef, cooked over 1000 year old B.C. soft wood lumber..........you aint buying it so we're burning it at the Morton's up here. Mike Weir cab sauve? Leafs playing the Hawks on TV. Beauty eh? Try to loosen up your right elbow though, if not for grabbing your wallet then at least for the golf course. Are you really telling me your elbow doesnt bend any after Startup?
Magic of the Right Forearm is very Misunderstood. Go ahead and let's see you do it per your interpretation. Extend both Arms and clasp both hands centered in front of you. Then Bend your Right Elbow. Let's see if it Raises your Arms. If it Raises your Arms, shouldn't Your Right Elbow move away from your Torso?
Next, do it using Extensor Action without your Right Elbow bending more that 90 degrees.
Homers "Magic of the Right Forearm" cannot be practiced or Understood without Extensor Action. When he says, Raises and Lowers, he means that different amounts of Right Arm Bend will determine the Steepness of the Plane for the Power Package.
Use the demonstration above. Only allow your Right Elbow to bend a couple of inches while using extensor Action and notice how Steep your Hands Rise. Now allow your Right Elbow to bend 90 degrees and witness how low (shallow plane) your Hands Rise.
So, different Length Clubs include a different degree of right elbow bend which causes the hands to rise to steeper or shallower planes. All of this is automatic with the Extensor Action Takeaway.
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6-A-1 THE TRIANGLE ASSEMBLY The Power Package is basically a Triangle and this form puts it under the Law of the Triangle. The Straight Left Arm forms Side One, the Shoulders form the second Side and a line from the Right Shoulder to Hands forms the Third Side – whether the Right Arm is straight or bent. So the shape of the Triangle can be changed only by changing the length of the Third Side. Also, regarding Structure, study 6-B-1-D and 6-B-3-0-1.
And...when the third side changes Length, the Left Arm crosses the Chest. There are Two ways to Bend The Right Arm, but only one Power Package Acceleration Sequence. If you keep the Right Elbow Tucked to the Side (Hogan-esque) the Hand Acceleration Stage is stifled.
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7-20 TRIGGER TYPES The term “Trigger” is used to denote that action which initiates the Release of the Power Package Assembly of Power Accumulators (6-B) to develop and apply force to the ball. It is the lengthening of the third side of the Triangle Assembly which moves the Lever Assemblies toward and through Impact per Pattern. See 6-M-0.
From all of the above, one would understand that the Straightening of the Right Arm is where Release begins. It's Ok to use a Right Arm Throw but it's not OK to over-Bend the Right Arm or Bend The Right Arm in Such a Way that the Right Elbow loses it's 3 Dimensional Start-Up or Start-Down or, Like Hogan, the Right Forearm is taken Off-Plane and the struggle to Re-Plane the Right Forearm at release ensues.
The Right Arm Throw is not perfectly Compatible with Pivot Strokes. You need compensations if you use it with a Pivot Stroke. That's fine for normal Golfers and Pro's, but if searching for the "Uncompensated Swing", it's not ok.
If you use Extensor Action, then the Hands are Lifted at the Shoulder Sockets and the Right Elbow will not stay Tucked to the Side.
I only said that his right forearm wasn't on plane until release.
Is your Hogan Shrine Inside or Outside?
Ok, ok. I'm going about this in the wrong way. How'about'this?
Hogan was the Greatest Golfer to ever live and I sleep with his book under my Pillow. He is my surrogate father. I have pictures of him all over my home and office. Before I Tee off on the First Hole, I face east and say a prayer for Ben Hogan. Hogan is part of the Holy Trinity: Golf Course - Golf Equipment - Ben Hogan.
(Or)
Hogan wouldn't know a Plane if you cut a hole in a piece of Glass and stuck his head through it.
Dingdong . . . it's not Hogan . . . it's the principle . . . it could be freakin' JJ Evans . . . Hogan was more on plane longer -than anybody ever . . .
You can try to change the deal by saying Bucket and Benny sittin' in a tree stuff . . . but you need to wipe the boogers out of your eyes on what it looks like to be on plane.
Magic of the Right Forearm is very Misunderstood. Go ahead and let's see you do it per your interpretation. Extend both Arms and clasp both hands centered in front of you. Then Bend your Right Elbow. Let's see if it Raises your Arms. If it Raises your Arms, shouldn't Your Right Elbow move away from your Torso?
Next, do it using Extensor Action without your Right Elbow bending more that 90 degrees.
Homers "Magic of the Right Forearm" cannot be practiced or Understood without Extensor Action. When he says, Raises and Lowers, he means that different amounts of Right Arm Bend will determine the Steepness of the Plane for the Power Package.
Use the demonstration above. Only allow your Right Elbow to bend a couple of inches while using extensor Action and notice how Steep your Hands Rise. Now allow your Right Elbow to bend 90 degrees and witness how low (shallow plane) your Hands Rise.
So, different Length Clubs include a different degree of right elbow bend which causes the hands to rise to steeper or shallower planes. All of this is automatic with the Extensor Action Takeaway.
And...when the third side changes Length, the Left Arm crosses the Chest. There are Two ways to Bend The Right Arm, but only one Power Package Acceleration Sequence. If you keep the Right Elbow Tucked to the Side (Hogan-esque) the Hand Acceleration Stage is stifled.
From all of the above, one would understand that the Straightening of the Right Arm is where Release begins. It's Ok to use a Right Arm Throw but it's not OK to over-Bend the Right Arm or Bend The Right Arm in Such a Way that the Right Elbow loses it's 3 Dimensional Start-Up or Start-Down or, Like Hogan, the Right Forearm is taken Off-Plane and the struggle to Re-Plane the Right Forearm at release ensues.
The Right Arm Throw is not perfectly Compatible with Pivot Strokes. You need compensations if you use it with a Pivot Stroke. That's fine for normal Golfers and Pro's, but if searching for the "Uncompensated Swing", it's not ok.
If you use Extensor Action, then the Hands are Lifted at the Shoulder Sockets and the Right Elbow will not stay Tucked to the Side.
This is the kind of post that makes outsiders say that TGM is a Cult . . . This is more complicated and hard to read than the dang book.
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