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09-17-2009, 12:14 PM
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What shot shape do you think David Graham hit on that shot? Push draw? Do you think he was tracing a closed plane line?
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09-17-2009, 07:39 PM
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Here's a guy with a great swing too, although he was hitting here. The Cuscowilla Hitta. The camera angles are little different so we cant read too much into the comparison, but I'd be happy with either of these actions. Very very happy. Like play every day happy.
Interesting elbow observation Bucket, maybe thats why I tend to the overswivel sometimes? My left elbow is pointed to far down like David Graham. My left goal post is bent. Hmm.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125323045 1
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09-17-2009, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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Here's a guy with a great swing too, although he was hitting here. The Cuscowilla Hitta. The camera angles are little different so we cant read too much into the comparison, but I'd be happy with either of these actions. Very very happy. Like play every day happy.
Interesting elbow observation Bucket, maybe thats why I tend to the overswivel sometimes? My left elbow is pointed to far down like David Graham. My left goal post is bent. Hmm.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125323045 1
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You may want to back it up a few frames and see why you end up there . . . generally that move is a symptom of something that happened on back from there . . .
Look at Hogan beginning in Frame 7 - 12 . . . that is an on plane golf swing . . . look at frame 8 and 9 . . . can you imagine the plane board there . . . note how the right forearm flying wedge is just riding the plane back up and in . . . compare that to D. Graham in frame 4. Look how Hogan's wedge and hands have disappeared around his body on-plane but the club is still out there where you can see the club. Awesome . . . .but look at graham . . . the wedge is done . . . he's showing you the butt cap. Not that that isn't a valid way to swing . . . but he's shifted the plane line out. Notice what the face does and how straight the right arm is and how away from him it is. Graham evidently was a great ball striker . . . but Hogan's action certainly has the mechanical advantage.

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09-17-2009, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by okie
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What shot shape do you think David Graham hit on that shot? Push draw? Do you think he was tracing a closed plane line?
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Inside out cut shot . . . some sort of push . . . looks to be aiming left and pushing it. Not sure about the shape but CF is aligning that face for sure.
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09-19-2009, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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You may want to back it up a few frames and see why you end up there . . . generally that move is a symptom of something that happened on back from there . . .
Look at Hogan beginning in Frame 7 - 12 . . . that is an on plane golf swing . . . look at frame 8 and 9 . . . can you imagine the plane board there . . . note how the right forearm flying wedge is just riding the plane back up and in . . . compare that to D. Graham in frame 4. Look how Hogan's wedge and hands have disappeared around his body on-plane but the club is still out there where you can see the club. Awesome . . . .but look at graham . . . the wedge is done . . . he's showing you the butt cap. Not that that isn't a valid way to swing . . . but he's shifted the plane line out. Notice what the face does and how straight the right arm is and how away from him it is. Graham evidently was a great ball striker . . . but Hogan's action certainly has the mechanical advantage.

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Thanks Brosuph. I've learned something from this.
Ive never swung on a plane board. Homer advised that we all should do it and that we'd be surprised by what we discoverd. Ive tried benches, ropes, Explanars but never a full fledged plane board. Maybe Ill hit Home Depot this afternoon for some plastic and some 2x4's. My wife will really be busting my balatas over this one.
In my second lesson with Lynn he said "ok show me a little cut shot". Then he said something like "interesting, that was a perfectly straight shot and a nice normal swing" . I used to get lessons from a pro who really wanted to see the hands appearing long before the left elbow from a DTL point of view in Finish. I'm thinking now that this promoted my David Graham type overswivel (and most likely off plane as you mention). That the left elbow ideally supports the on plane motion of the hands, as it does in the backswing. The right elbow opposite the#3pressure point's knuckle or the first joint at Top. If you had an "Up" The LIne point of view of the backswing you'd see the right elbow appear in much the same manner as Hogan and Lynn are displaying, no? Lynns goal posts in their formative stages, mirror images?
Wait a minute, do you load the #3 again in Finish? Knuckle or joint depending on whether you eat corn dogs or not? But with the left elbow supporting, opposing? Never thought about this. My head hurts.
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09-19-2009, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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Thanks Brosuph. I've learned something from this.
Ive never swung on a plane board. Homer advised that we all should do it and that we'd be surprised by what we discoverd. Ive tried benches, ropes, Explanars but never a full fledged plane board. Maybe Ill hit Home Depot this afternoon for some plastic and some 2x4's. My wife will really be busting my balatas over this one.
In my second lesson with Lynn he said "ok show me a little cut shot". Then he said something like "interesting, that was a perfectly straight shot and a nice normal swing" . I used to get lessons from a pro who really wanted to see the hands appearing long before the left elbow from a DTL point of view in Finish. I'm thinking now that this promoted my David Graham type overswivel (and most likely off plane as you mention). That the left elbow ideally supports the on plane motion of the hands, as it does in the backswing. The right elbow opposite the#3pressure point's knuckle or the first joint at Top. If you had an "Up" The LIne point of view of the backswing you'd see the right elbow appear in much the same manner as Hogan and Lynn are displaying, no? Lynns goal posts in their formative stages, mirror images?
Wait a minute, do you load the #3 again in Finish? Knuckle or joint depending on whether you eat corn dogs or not? But with the left elbow supporting, opposing? Never thought about this. My head hurts.
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Forget about that explanar deal . . . basically you are trying to lay the shaft (but really the longitudinal center of gravity) on the face of the plane the whole freakin' way basically from delivery to follow thru and beyond. YOu just need to check the way you look at video to see what's happening. Notice how hogan has kept his #3 angle in tact. D.G. not so much. So when you watch video you want to pay attention when the club STARTS DOWN. That's the downstroke plane . . . where are the hands entering the body coming down? Do that match on the other side? DO they come out lower or higher? really the should come out slightly higher due to the axis tilt caused by the hips going forward an up. But generally you want to see the hands come come out at or below the shoulder if the came down that way. Like Scott Hoch is high coming down and high going thru . . . on plane . . . Hogan is mid bicipept down and below the shoulder thru on plane . . . Graham is mid bicept . . thru the ear hole thru . . . shifted plane out.
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09-19-2009, 03:11 PM
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Doctor Bucket.
Here is my specimen for your analysis. You'll notice the ball leaving sharply to the right and low. A flipped, thrown away shank. Me at my worst. I hate these mats.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125338719 9
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09-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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Doctor Bucket.
Here is my specimen for your analysis. You'll notice the ball leaving sharply to the right and low. A flipped, thrown away shank. Me at my worst. I hate these mats.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125338719 9
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As far as matching goes . . . you match thru the top of the shoulder on both sides . . . you just have to decide if that is the plane angle you like . . . you got face on?
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09-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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Yup that looks steep to me too. It was a wedge though and on a day that I hit shank after shank off of those mats. Didnt do it when I took to the course though. Im wondering if I was subconsciously taking out some of the Down to protect a sore left wrist on those things. They are concrete hard.
Lynn was in Scotland and I sent the film of this session to Luke for some help. We talked over the phone for about a half hour one evening. He recommended a lagging takeaway and some float loading. Crazy stuff from a hitter eh? You cant float and throwaway at the same time, basically. It got me out of my predicament and fast. Luke has one heck of a good eye! Played some good golf the next day. Im still trying to get my impact alignments to where they should be but they're way better than what Im showing in these photos. They were good when I was pure hitting but Im trying to adopt a little more of a rope handle, free flowing less wooden motion although Im still Right Arm Throw. In fact adding some throw out action helped my impact alignments a lot. Im rope handle hitting now I guess. I dunno.
PS I have no idea what the heck Ive got in my pockets. Looks like a tribute to Moe Norman or something.
Ihttp://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1988&stc=1&d=125341576 5
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