Plane Shifts

[Daryl]

Are all Double or more Planes Shifts a "Pivot Controlled Hands" procedure?

[O.B.Left]

Im thinking not necessarily. The path of the hands and swivel (over, under) can change planes quicker than O'Hare . Not Sean, the airport. Its still all about the hands and arms I think, the pivot would, by itself, just take the hands back under the plane, no?

[Daryl]

Im thinking not necessarily. The path of the hands and swivel (over, under) can change planes quicker than O'Hare . Not Sean, the airport. Its still all about the hands and arms I think, the pivot would, by itself, just take the hands back under the plane, no?

Isn't a straight line the shortest path between two points?

I wonder what the hands are thinking when they decide to take a more complicated route? Maybe, "punish the Golfer".

Doesn't a Flip Release need a Plane Shift on the Downstroke?

[O.B.Left]

Wait wait wait. Are you assuming the various planes to be always on plane? I was sort of imagining the hands as traveling a fairly constant path but the left arm swiveling all over the place. Off plane swiveling. Me such a stupid, Sorry.

If a golfers plane is high at Top and then he Axis Tilts and drops his arms back onto the Turned Shoulder Plane in transition...................the Hands may still be, indeed ideally are, boss, no? Hands to Pivot despite the trained Hip Slide. The #3 still tracing.

Hold on a minute, are you saying Hip Action, your Doctoral like knowledge which I defer to, indeed refer to, implies Pivot to Hands?

Have you lost your lines, Doctor?

[Daryl]

I was just thinking that any Plane shift is 'caused - by', or 'results - from', the Hands responding the the Pivot. During the Backstroke or Downstroke.

But, maybe I'm missing something, so I thought I would start a thread to gather some different perspectives.

[12 piece bucket]

I was just thinking that any Plane shift is 'caused - by', or 'results - from', the Hands responding the the Pivot. During the Backstroke or Downstroke.

But, maybe I'm missing something, so I thought I would start a thread to gather some different perspectives.

There IS NO QUESTION that the pivot has HUGE plane shift implications . . . . knees controll hips controls axis tilt control arms control hand path plane etc.

Right Shoulder location location location . . .

[O.B.Left]

I was just thinking that any Plane shift is 'caused - by', or 'results - from', the Hands responding the the Pivot. During the Backstroke or Downstroke.

But, maybe I'm missing something, so I thought I would start a thread to gather some different perspectives.

Gotcha. I think. Here is what Im thinking. Although its Queen Victoria's birthday up here and Ive had a Molson or two.

Yes the pivot can tilt the Axis of the Shoulders say, but ideally the brain and its outpost the right hand are still directing, tracing, painting. Its like a Jackson Pollack versus some paint in a centrifuge. There is a difference and you can see it. Both involve significant movement, one in response to the brain and hand the other just reactive. Golf is a motion but with tracing. But the tracing needs the motion. Well in Total Motion anyways.

Gotta flip the steaks.

Ob

[Daryl]

Gentlemen,

Does a Plane shift mean that it's a Pivot Controlled Hands Procedure?

Happy Queen Victoria' Birth-Day

[12 piece bucket]

Gotcha. I think. Here is what Im thinking. Although its Queen Victoria's birthday up here and Ive had a Molson or two.

Yes the pivot can tilt the Axis of the Shoulders say, but ideally the brain and its outpost the right hand are still directing, tracing, painting. Its like a Jackson Pollack versus some paint in a centrifuge. There is a difference and you can see it. Both involve significant movement, one in response to the brain and hand the other just reactive. Golf is a motion but with tracing. But the tracing needs the motion. Well in Total Motion anyways.

Gotta flip the steaks.

Ob

I would submit that it is tracing IN 3 DIMENSIONS though. You CAN trace the plane line or cover the visual equivalent AND shift the plane angle all over the place . . . that's where pivot training comes in.

[12 piece bucket]

Gentlemen,

Does a Plane shift mean that it's a Pivot Controlled Hands Procedure?

Happy Queen Victoria' Birth-Day

No . . . You CAN shift planes if you KNOW you are doing it . . . Lee Buck . . . Sam Snead . . . etc.