In my lab time I have noticed that there is a link between a centered/stationary head and extensor action. If the head sways in the slightest the checkrein action of the left arm is impeded. Is it kind of like a dog owner yelling at his dog to stop running away by running after the dog, as opposed to simply stopping and allowing the leash to do its thing! So the benefits of extensor action are diminished by any lateral movement of the head?
I understand how the left arm checks the right elbow and causes it to bend in a precise manner. This bending right elbow then cocks the right left wrist or permits CF to do it in the case of swinging. What factors determine the degree of left wrist cock? How much left wrist cock is needed in order for it to be sufficiently loaded? My left wrist does not cock a great deal. I look a lot like a drive loader with the shaft almost point skyward at Top. Is it an issue of flexibility? How do I achieve more left wrist cock without getting the right wrist involved? Is it a function of more right elbow bend, or is it simply the weight of the club loading against #3PP?
In my lab time I have noticed that there is a link between a centered/stationary head and extensor action. If the head sways in the slightest the checkrein action of the left arm is impeded. Is it kind of like a dog owner yelling at his dog to stop running away by running after the dog, as opposed to simply stopping and allowing the leash to do its thing! So the benefits of extensor action are diminished by any lateral movement of the head?
Yes. When your head sways then your left shoulder sways.
I understand how the left arm checks the right elbow and causes it to bend in a precise manner. This bending right elbow then cocks the right left wrist or permits CF to do it in the case of swinging. What factors determine the degree of left wrist cock? How much left wrist cock is needed in order for it to be sufficiently loaded? My left wrist does not cock a great deal. I look a lot like a drive loader with the shaft almost point skyward at Top. Is it an issue of flexibility? How do I achieve more left wrist cock without getting the right wrist involved? Is it a function of more right elbow bend, or is it simply the weight of the club loading against #3PP?
Cocking left wrist. If you place the grip toward your fingers it looks like you cock your wrist more. Illusion.
My club is closer to my lifeline and it appears to be only 45 degrees to my left forearm. Illusion. It's fully cocked and will be level at impact.
You’re having a difficult time keeping your right wrist from cocking because you are bending your right elbow too much. Bend your right elbow just enough to cock the left wrist, then raise your right arm vertically with your right shoulder deltoid to raise your left arm. No more bending the right elbow. Your hands, left arm and right elbow rise in unison when your right deltoid is used.
Note: Bending or pulling your right elbow backwards, will cock the left wrist. It will also cock the right wrist if you go to far. You don't have to try to cock your left wrist. Using extensor action and the backswing will cock the wrist. One inch of right elbow bend is all that is needed to fully cock the left wrist.
I double cock the left wrist. It is more cocked. No illusion about that.
"One inch of right elbow bend is all that is needed to fully cock the left wrist."
This is the essence of what I wanted to know. Thanks. It sparked something that I remember Yoda saying about how small the amount of left wrist cock really is (from level anyway)Using Extensor Action definately produces a different feel. So if #4 is across your chest with a stationary head the right elbow bend will be as it should be and the left wrist cock will be as it should be? I have not given up the cocked right wrist it would seem, especially with the driver. A motion with a driver employing extensor action is a bit comical for me at the present time! Irons feel good because I have always like to stop at top. With the "farputtingstick" I guess I have always liked cranking up BOTH wrists in order to get to end.
"One inch of right elbow bend is all that is needed to fully cock the left wrist."
This is the essence of what I wanted to know. Thanks. It sparked something that I remember Yoda saying about how small the amount of left wrist cock really is (from level anyway)Using Extensor Action definately produces a different feel. So if #4 is across your chest with a stationary head the right elbow bend will be as it should be and the left wrist cock will be as it should be? I have not given up the cocked right wrist it would seem, especially with the driver. A motion with a driver employing extensor action is a bit comical for me at the present time! Irons feel good because I have always like to stop at top. With the "farputtingstick" I guess I have always liked cranking up BOTH wrists in order to get to end.
Ya, we all kinda do it too (except Ted). Most people think to apply over acceleration to make the ball go farther, swing faster. If that doesn't work, then over accelerate more. All you need is a slower start, more pressure, more precision.
I used to make every effort to cock the left wrist I possibly could and still didnt get er done. Now Im hitting and dont really think about the left hand wrist cock so much and all of sudden the thing is cocking on its own. Golf is one weird sport.
The difference was the old thing about the "flat" vs "geometrically flat" left wrist. The "flat" left wrist does not necessarily mean literally flat. The cocking of a common golf speak strong(ish) left hand grip should see some corresponding cupping (the geometric flat left wrist). I used to take a slightly strong left hand grip, flatten it out by going back under the plane and get almost bowed at top. Trevino style. You just cant cock a wrist that is bowed like that.
The difference for me is knowing what the left wrist should look like as it cocks given the choice of left hand grips. The simplest way to see this is the left hand hammer drill as described by Yoda in the Alignment Golf preview. Holding the club with your left hand only just cock the thing straight up towards the sky like you were hammering something and look at what the back of the left hand looks like. That's what the left wrist should look like as it cocks and uncocks. You'll notice that for stronger grips there is some corresponding cupping. This is "geometrically flat" , a good thing.
So many people think "flat" is literally flat which it isnt, necessarily. Only for those with overly weak left hand grips to begin with.
Dont know whether this applies to you or not, but your post reminded me of my experience with the incorrect notion of what is meant by "flat". The actual answer being; "Well it depends".
I have over 100 tour swings in my store for daily review. Ever great player moves his head 2 to 3 inches on the back swing. Brian Gay also moves his head more over the right leg on his driver.
Turning the left wrist to a parallel position when held in front of you will give you max right wrist bend.
Nicklaus included? I think the point is at impact their heads are centered and at impact fix height etc. Pros have a penchant for compensation i.e. raw talent. I know that my noggin will always move a bit...if it moves a lot...well lets just say it ain't pretty! A mechanical ideal is something to shoot for. I am going with Homer on what is ideal.
Thanks OB. What I am feeling is the strange sensation of a right wrist that is no longer cocking. A first in 20 years. I do love the machine! Thanks for the little drill. I do get the difference between visual/geometric flattness.
I have over 100 tour swings in my store for daily review. Ever great player moves his head 2 to 3 inches on the back swing. Brian Gay also moves his head more over the right leg on his driver.
Turning the left wrist to a parallel position when held in front of you will give you max right wrist bend.
Moving your Head during the Backswing is the easy part. Getting it back to center before it causes damage: Priceless.
I'm not a seasoned tour pro, so if I move my head during the Backswing, everything goes to crap.
The important thing is to get the left shoulder or low point back to where it was at impact fix, exactly. Homer knew the head might move a bit given the angle of the neck vis a vis the spine angle and so named it, or a point somewhere between the shoulders as the pivot center. Players who move their head slightly are often holding a point around the nape of the neck steady.
In my lab time I have noticed that there is a link between a centered/stationary head and extensor action. If the head sways in the slightest the checkrein action of the left arm is impeded. Is it kind of like a dog owner yelling at his dog to stop running away by running after the dog, as opposed to simply stopping and allowing the leash to do its thing! So the benefits of extensor action are diminished by any lateral movement of the head?
I understand how the left arm checks the right elbow and causes it to bend in a precise manner. This bending right elbow then cocks the right left wrist or permits CF to do it in the case of swinging. What factors determine the degree of left wrist cock? How much left wrist cock is needed in order for it to be sufficiently loaded? My left wrist does not cock a great deal. I look a lot like a drive loader with the shaft almost point skyward at Top. Is it an issue of flexibility? How do I achieve more left wrist cock without getting the right wrist involved? Is it a function of more right elbow bend, or is it simply the weight of the club loading against #3PP?
Good point extensor action aside . . . if the head stays then it's MUCH easier to keep the left arm straight . . . less slack.
The amount of left wrist cock can have to do with grip too . . . you can get more range of motion with 10-2-D. Also be sure that you are not getting ARCHED . . . that definitely restricts the range of motion. Lots of people in effort to be "visually" flat end up being arched. Remember "flat" is an alignment with the left arm not always equating to a "position" of the left wrist.
in order to get to end.
All you need is a slower start, more pressure, more precision.
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