The Dividing Line...

[Amen Corner]

There are two many great minds on this site to let Tommy's work disappear...I believe we have a lot to learn from his approximately 20 years with the POWERFUL text The Golfing Machine

DG,

There are a couple of websites where the information are based on the respective owners work/experience with TGM.

Why don´t you start an own website dedicated to Tommys work?

I am pretty sure that you would have many members and great success.

And DG, this is meant in peace.

[robertrex]

Am I missing something? Even as an aging gentleman TT had a beautiful pivot. When he talks about "the right shoulder goes straight down", doesn't everybody see his hips sliding and rotating? Where's the big controversy. Watch the video. There is zero video evidence that he extended (lost the angle at the right elbow) at the top of his swing. Surely DG is not suggesting that the downswing starts with extending the right elbow, is he?

By the way DG, no slight whatsover just honest inspection, what is your handicap? You seem devoted to a "method". I'm just kind of wondering how it's working for you. If you don't keep a handicap, what are your last several scores?

[ChangeMySwing]

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

[KevCarter]

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

It's not all about science, it's G.O.L.F. It's not blind faith, it's proven, it works, and it's growing thanks in part to the knowledgeable folks here who learned from Yoda.

Kevin

[AK]

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

OHHH.....Ouch!!!

[comrade]

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

what mistakes have "scientists" found in The Golfing Machine and who are they ?


" Since Copernicus man has been rolling from the center toward X." - Nietzsche

[david sandridge]

I am a scientist. I have studied golf for fifty years. I have seen methods come and go. However G.O.L.F despite its criticisms has survived and flourished. It is very difficult to apply "science" to the human body. Science depends on absolute measurements of understood variables. Many medical studies eventhough they are double blind random controlled studies come to erroneous conclusions. Why is that? Because some variable has been overlooked, difficult to measure or new knowledge has appeared that changes things. Homer's work continues to be amazing. Consider that Lynn sticks to the original principles, teaches them without deviation and achieves tremendous success. I look at Brian Gay and Jeff Hull and their simple swings and know they are on to something. There is no other system that is freely available, so complete and time tested. I read the arguments of the biomechanic "experts", hear the virtues of this and that measuring device and only laugh. They all speak of the faults of each system i.e. not measuring enough things, measuring the wrong things, and finally arguing about the interpretation. The human body presents an unbelievable challenge. A complicated system of muscles, joints and bones controlled by a brain that can be right sided or left sided, right handed or left handed, afflicted by dyslexia, ADHD, and containing various different combinations of DNA. Some golfers are fat and others skinny, some are double jointed and others aren't, some are flexible and others stiff, some are graceful and others muscle bound. Some people communicate visually, others kinestheticly and others auditorly. Add in to that mix emotions, education and life experiences and you have something that is very difficult to evaluate with a computer that only uses 1 or 0!. All scientific studies need to be taken with a grain of salt particularly those involving the human body. Observational studies, although "less scientific" have been found to be just as valuable as the more scientific ones. That is why studying golf is an entertainment for a lifetime.

[Yoda]

Wow what a long thread.

We do it all for you.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

We're so inbred here it doesn't make any difference.

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

They're hackers, so we don't care.

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Ignorance . . . sheer ignorance.

Homer was not a scientist.

Actually, he was a Christian Scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

I think that's four things. But why get picky, right?

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

Thank goodness! I can keep this site running and continue to teach with at least a semi-clear conscience.

[YodasLuke]

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

And, your credentials are...?

[KevCarter]

I am a scientist. I have studied golf for fifty years. I have seen methods come and go. However G.O.L.F despite its criticisms has survived and flourished. It is very difficult to apply "science" to the human body. Science depends on absolute measurements of understood variables. Many medical studies eventhough they are double blind random controlled studies come to erroneous conclusions. Why is that? Because some variable has been overlooked, difficult to measure or new knowledge has appeared that changes things. Homer's work continues to be amazing. Consider that Lynn sticks to the original principles, teaches them without deviation and achieves tremendous success. I look at Brian Gay and Jeff Hull and their simple swings and know they are on to something. There is no other system that is freely available, so complete and time tested. I read the arguments of the biomechanic "experts", hear the virtues of this and that measuring device and only laugh. They all speak of the faults of each system i.e. not measuring enough things, measuring the wrong things, and finally arguing about the interpretation. The human body presents an unbelievable challenge. A complicated system of muscles, joints and bones controlled by a brain that can be right sided or left sided, right handed or left handed, afflicted by dyslexia, ADHD, and containing various different combinations of DNA. Some golfers are fat and others skinny, some are double jointed and others aren't, some are flexible and others stiff, some are graceful and others muscle bound. Some people communicate visually, others kinestheticly and others auditorly. Add in to that mix emotions, education and life experiences and you have something that is very difficult to evaluate with a computer that only uses 1 or 0!. All scientific studies need to be taken with a grain of salt particularly those involving the human body. Observational studies, although "less scientific" have been found to be just as valuable as the more scientific ones. That is why studying golf is an entertainment for a lifetime.

This post should be a sticky. Simply wonderful post Sir!

Thank you,
Kevin