The Right Arm Swing
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06-15-2008, 03:27 PM
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Pivot Discussion
Originally Posted by joe curtis
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please explain the pivot procedure for a hitter. where are the hips and shoulders at impact,etc. thanks in advance.
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Joe,
The left arm swinger is more reliant on body power. The power of the left arm swinger is transferred from the feet, through the knees, hips, and shoulders to the relatively passive arms except for extensor action.
The right arm swingers pivot is more like a hitters 4-barrel pattern which uses accumulator #4 for a short time until the right shoulder is in a position to push against. Then the hitters right arm takes over the driving action against the right shoulder.
The right arm swinger would have a similar start down until the right elbow reaches its position as the swing center. At that time, mometum transfer assists in driving the sweeping and extending active right arm. The difference in pivots between the left arm swing and right arm swing is the pivot must transfer its energy sooner and at a lesser degree with the right arm swing; just like the 4 barrel hit.
The pivot motion as generated by the hips would have an initial thrust to get the right shoulder in motion and once the right elbow becomes the swing center, active pivot thrust becomes pivot motion (passive). There could be other versions of this as well which didn't have an active #4 start down, but rather a passive pivot motion which provides support only for the active right arm.
The difficulty in all of this is keeping the wrists loose enough to allow centrifugal force to control the hand motion through impact. If the right wrist stays stiff, the swing becomes similar to a hit with associated angled hinging. It is possible to manipulate a stiff right wrist into horizontal hinging, but the clubface would be misaligned. I believe this is why Homer says in 10-3-K that the right wrist can unbend in this procedure.
Don't take this as gospel. I'm just boiling down yellow book concepts into elements of the RAS. Homer had very few words to say about the Right Arm Swing and Yoda and I have never discussed it, so I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.
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06-15-2008, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
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Joe,
The left arm swinger is more reliant on body power. The power of the left arm swinger is transferred from the feet, through the knees, hips, and shoulders to the relatively passive arms except for extensor action.
The right arm swingers pivot is more like a hitters 4-barrel pattern which uses accumulator #4 for a short time until the right shoulder is in a position to push against. Then the hitters right arm takes over the driving action against the right shoulder.
The right arm swinger would have a similar start down until the right elbow reaches its position as the swing center. At that time, mometum transfer assists in driving the sweeping and extending active right arm. The difference in pivots between the left arm swing and right arm swing is the pivot must transfer its energy sooner and at a lesser degree with the right arm swing; just like the 4 barrel hit.
The pivot motion as generated by the hips would have an initial thrust to get the right shoulder in motion and once the right elbow becomes the swing center, active pivot thrust becomes pivot motion (passive). There could be other versions of this as well which didn't have an active #4 start down, but rather a passive pivot motion which provides support only for the active right arm.
The difficulty in all of this is keeping the wrists loose enough to allow centrifugal force to control the hand motion through impact. If the right wrist stays stiff, the swing becomes similar to a hit with associated angled hinging. It is possible to manipulate a stiff right wrist into horizontal hinging, but the clubface would be misaligned. I believe this is why Homer says in 10-3-K that the right wrist can unbend in this procedure.
Don't take this as gospel. I'm just boiling down yellow book concepts into elements of the RAS. Homer had very few words to say about the Right Arm Swing and Yoda and I have never discussed it, so I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.
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I'll be the first in to line to not take it as gospel.
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06-16-2008, 11:24 AM
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who do you tink is a right arm swinger on tour?
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06-16-2008, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joe curtis
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who do you tink is a right arm swinger on tour?
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Joe,
I don't know of any - but I haven't watched the short shots close enough. That's where probably has its best application from a close reading of The Golfing Machine.
Another couple of recent posts from Yoda may help add context here.
It's not appropriate to ask RAS questions in the attached thread, but it adds to our discussion here.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...2&postcount=33
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06-17-2008, 12:26 AM
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Tommy One Note
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
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I'll be the first in to line to not take it as gospel.
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DG,
We've had many a bout here in years past, and I respect your allegiance to Tom Tomasello. Nevertheless, I'm reminded of that great line from the movie Ben Hur:
"One wife? One god, that I can understand - but one wife! That is not civilized. It is not generous.
-- Sheik Ilderim 
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06-17-2008, 02:59 AM
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06-17-2008, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by joe curtis
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who do you tink is a right arm swinger on tour?
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Joe
A few definites would include Rod Pampling Gavin Coles and any other Gary Edwin students i cant remember some others
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06-17-2008, 09:17 AM
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This thread is hurting the inside of my right elbow!
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06-17-2008, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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DG,
We've had many a bout here in years past, and I respect your allegiance to Tom Tomasello. Nevertheless, I'm reminded of that great line from the movie Ben Hur:
"One wife? One god, that I can understand - but one wife! That is not civilized. It is not generous.
-- Sheik Ilderim
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Hmmmmm......bad parallel.
DG
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