If a max trigger delay sequenced release does occur in a sequence then it will certainly feel more simultaneous to your little old brain... but i guess it does not have to be simultaneous in reality...
Daryl, did you say that to swing (CF force, horizontal hinge) with strong single action grip and max trig delay....you need to have a slightly bent left wrist at release point if you want to keep straight plane line??
Thanks for clarifying - i have not had much time for TGM book work ...easily confused now!
If a max trigger delay sequenced release does occur in a sequence then it will certainly feel more simultaneous to your little old brain... but i guess it does not have to be simultaneous in reality...
Daryl, did you say that to swing (CF force, horizontal hinge) with strong single action grip and max trig delay....you need to have a slightly bent left wrist at release point if you want to keep straight plane line??
Thanks for clarifying - i have not had much time for TGM book work ...easily confused now!
Imagine how fast some of these cats on TV are moving . . . #2 and #3 are basically firing at the same time to get the clubface to square . . . Some have more circle path and maybe they don't. I mean people hammered Leadbetter for saying some of those dudes have to unbend the right wrist to release the club . . . I have know idea what he meant as far as if he thinks that's the way it REALLY works (that's an entirely different debate) . . BUT I guarantee you that some of those cats on tour probably FEEL like they unbend their right wrist so they can get the club back to the ball with all that delay and speed they generate. That's certainly not what you'd want to tell a classic whackandhack job . . .BUT you may have to say some junk like that to somebody on the other end of the spectrum to make it work.
So maybe it should be "THIS IS HOW IT WORKS" . . . but for you to make it work you have to FEEL like it does this.
so how does this dude get to the ball without having #2 and #3 fire at the same time that deep into the release . . .
Stop it about the 33 second mark (hands right thigh high) and compare it to Sergio above . . . there is 3 feet difference in those two club heads . . . hands are different . . . hip slides are different . . . axis tilts are different . . .
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I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous . . . It has to work that way . . . apples peaches punkin' pie . . .
I was refering to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist . . .
Per 10-2-G . . .
. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.
Hence the Freddie Couples reference . . . he satisfies the conditions of the Law of the Flail . . . but his Left Wrist be Bendin' like a comma.
As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.
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Dear Mr. Bucket,
Please allow me to clarify my previous post with the following information.
You said: “I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous” .
I respectfully beg to differ. That is not logical. That’s like saying that the Faster you drive your truck, then the more it becomes a Ferrari. I don’t think so.
You said: “I was referring to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist”.
I know. I was explaining that the Right Wrist doesn’t Cock. If the Right Wrist remains Level throughout the stroke and rolls into impact after the Left Wrist Uncocks, then you performed a Sequenced Release.
The reference to 10-2-G is understood, however, I can assure you that my Left Wrist is Flat Before-During-and After Impact. Visually and Geometrically.
You Said: “As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.”
I agree. When I said that the 10-2-D Grip can be used with Horizontal Hinging if You are willing to play the ball opposite your left foot, I was merely trying to help you hit the Green and not land thirty yards to the left.
If a max trigger delay sequenced release does occur in a sequence then it will certainly feel more simultaneous to your little old brain... but i guess it does not have to be simultaneous in reality...
Daryl, did you say that to swing (CF force, horizontal hinge) with strong single action grip and max trig delay....you need to have a slightly bent left wrist at release point if you want to keep straight plane line??
Thanks for clarifying - i have not had much time for TGM book work ...easily confused now!
"so how does this dude get to the ball without having #2 and #3 fire at the same time that deep into the release . . . "
Bucket, excellent observation. Pleae note that most of them cock their Right Wrist. They must Uncock it. The picture illustrates that the Clubhead is way out of position trailing too far behind. And I'm not talking about LAG. These guys have hand-eye coordination that's so amazing, that they can break all of the rules and still Win Millions of Dollars on Tour. They are gifted, and they work very hard to maintain that skill.
Please allow me to clarify my previous post with the following information.
You said: “I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous” .
I respectfully beg to differ. That is not logical. That’s like saying that the Faster you drive your truck, then the more it becomes a Ferrari. I don’t think so.
You said: “I was referring to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist”.
I know. I was explaining that the Right Wrist doesn’t Cock. If the Right Wrist remains Level throughout the stroke and rolls into impact after the Left Wrist Uncocks, then you performed a Sequenced Release.
The reference to 10-2-G is understood, however, I can assure you that my Left Wrist is Flat Before-During-and After Impact. Visually and Geometrically.
You Said: “As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.”
I agree. When I said that the 10-2-D Grip can be used with Horizontal Hinging if You are willing to play the ball opposite your left foot, I was merely trying to help you hit the Green and not land thirty yards to the left.
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Trucks and Ferrarii . . . Hitters and Swingers . . . fast is as fast does . . the road don't know and the ball don't neither.
Look at the video I posted on Zach Johnson vs. Sergio . . . there is a HUGE difference in the sequencing of the release motion between those two cats . . . Zach is almost fully Uncocked at thigh high . . . all he has left is Rolling . . . where as at the same point Sergio has MUCH MORE UNCOCKING and Rolling to do to get to fix respectively and from a time and space perspective the rolling and uncocking HAVE TO happen essentially at the same time.
Your left wrist may be visually and geometrically flat after impact . . . but fred couples' wristsusis ain't . . . his left is bent and his right is FLAT. There's cats that get skint all kinda ways.
As far as 30 yards left of the green. . . maybe . . .
But listen . . . I think you are SOLID man! I hope you ain't takin' none of this personal . . . you are one of the tops in my book. We're just talkin' not fightin' right? Your participation and knowledge is invaluable out here . . . more valuable than me being "right" or making points.
"so how does this dude get to the ball without having #2 and #3 fire at the same time that deep into the release . . . "
Bucket, excellent observation. Pleae note that most of them cock their Right Wrist. They must Uncock it. The picture illustrates that the Clubhead is way out of position trailing too far behind. And I'm not talking about LAG. These guys have hand-eye coordination that's so amazing, that they can break all of the rules and still Win Millions of Dollars on Tour. They are gifted, and they work very hard to maintain that skill.
HK knew a better way.
I don't see how the club is out of position? Take me to school.
Hi bucket, thanks for posting Sergio's swing - There is so much good stuff to see!
I like his footwork and impact looks awesome!
Swingvision is the only way to see what is really happen - I agree the best guys are moving so fast that hard to see and feel.
I guess if the scores are in the 60s and you win tournaments around the world... it does not matter what you do / feel...
But the ideal IMO is for your feel to accurately reflect what you do... truely eductaed hands/sensory system.
If you get to that level of biofeedback...youfeel when something goes wrong and you can feel your way to put it right again.... complete escape from illusions whether they be visual or whatever...
That is "owning" your swing...Hogan, Moe...and Tiger in his dreams... but that is what he wants!
Imagine looking in the mirror and seeing how you really look...scary!! None of us do it!!
I don't see how the club is out of position? Take me to school.
Look at the angle of his right forearm and clubshaft going into Release. This is a good indicator of just "how much" his Right Wrist is Cocked. He will need to uncock the right Wrist. Uncocking the Right Wrist presents an almost impossible situation. You can Uncock, then Roll, but you would need to uncock precisley to Level every time. He can't. So he Keeps uncocking and Angle Hinges. His left Wrist Bends after impact. His Right Wrist is playing Ping Pong.
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