Right Forearm/Right Hand/Right Elbow in Swinging

[Daryl]

Ben Doyle is a Master of his craft who helps each student achieve his or her own unique potential.

That said, his well-known preference is for the 3rd Edition's Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stroke -- "a hypothetically ideal Pattern..." That Pattern (3rd Edition/12-4) features Maximum Component Participation and includes three caveats:

1. Almost any catalogued Component change will simplify it.

2. It requires "the most practice, fortitude and dedication."

3. It is for "the gifted competitor."

Following three hours of discussion, demonstration, correction and testing, I would very much agree that Ben Still prefers the Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stoke. Maximum Hip Action and a lot of right arm.

I passed the Set-Up Pre-Shot Routine Test, the Sand Trap Test, the Impact Bag Test and the Tire Test (with flying colors I might add). I failed the Tee Angled in Ground Test. Ben said that if I can’t pass that test, then there is no need to continue until I can. But being the gracious and sympathetic teacher he is, we continued anyway.

During Hour #4 I got it. Ben said: “Hit it straight” and I did. He said: “Let me see a six foot fade at 160 yards with the six iron”, and I did. He said: “now give me a six foot draw” and I did. “Hit it high, and I did. Hit it low, and I did. He said Punch shot, and I punched it. He said “Pitch it” and I pitched it. Angled Hinging, Duel Horizontal and Vertical. He said: “Very good compression”. Ok, I’m a Ball Striker.

I went out that afternoon and shot one of the worst scores in my life. Hmm? Typical. Life. Ya gotta see the humor in it all. LOL.

Now; if I can only remember how I did it with Ben. (Oh, the DVD)

[12 piece bucket]

Following three hours of discussion, demonstration, correction and testing, I would very much agree that Ben Still prefers the Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stoke. Maximum Hip Action and a lot of right arm.

I passed the Set-Up Pre-Shot Routine Test, the Sand Trap Test, the Impact Bag Test and the Tire Test (with flying colors I might add). I failed the Tee Angled in Ground Test. Ben said that if I can’t pass that test, then there is no need to continue until I can. But being the gracious and sympathetic teacher he is, we continued anyway.

During Hour #4 I got it. Ben said: “Hit it straight” and I did. He said: “Let me see a six foot fade at 160 yards with the six iron”, and I did. He said: “now give me a six foot draw” and I did. “Hit it high, and I did. Hit it low, and I did. He said Punch shot, and I punched it. He said “Pitch it” and I pitched it. Angled Hinging, Duel Horizontal and Vertical. He said: “Very good compression”. Ok, I’m a Ball Striker.

I went out that afternoon and shot one of the worst scores in my life. Hmm? Typical. Life. Ya gotta see the humor in it all. LOL.

Now; if I can only remember how I did it with Ben. (Oh, the DVD)

D . . .I have heard of all them tests but the Angled Tee test . . . how does that one go?

[Daryl]

D . . .I have heard of all them tests but the Angled Tee test . . . how does that one go?

It's the hardest damn thing.

Take a Tee and push it into the ground at a 45 degree angle toward the target and so that only the top of the tee is visible. Using a Chip Shot (not basic motion) knock the tee the remaining way into the ground without touching a single blade of grass until after you strike the Tee.

Ben could do it with his eyes closed. Really, he did. And many times.

It's a test to prove if you have any added hand motion. If you add any, even the slightest hand motion, you can't do it. #3 Pressure Point is Aiming and the Pivot is moving the Arms-Hands.

[Delaware Golf]

Ben Doyle is a Master of his craft who helps each student achieve his or her own unique potential.

That said, his well-known preference is for the 3rd Edition's Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stroke -- "a hypothetically ideal Pattern..." That Pattern (3rd Edition/12-4) features Maximum Component Participation and includes three caveats:

1. Almost any catalogued Component change will simplify it.

2. It requires "the most practice, fortitude and dedication."

3. It is for "the gifted competitor."

When I contacted Ben in 1994, I asked him about the use of the right arm....Ben mailed to me the 4 stroke patterns from the 3rd edition. The 4 barrel pattern contains swinging components.

DG

[tradekid]

Ben Doyle is a Master of his craft who helps each student achieve his or her own unique potential.

That said, his well-known preference is for the 3rd Edition's Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stroke -- "a hypothetically ideal Pattern..." That Pattern (3rd Edition/12-4) features Maximum Component Participation and includes three caveats:

1. Almost any catalogued Component change will simplify it.

2. It requires "the most practice, fortitude and dedication."

3. It is for "the gifted competitor."

Could someone post Ben's prefered pattern for those of us who don't have the 3rd edition?

[Mike O]

Original Post from "PowerPackage Mike" aka 6bMike in regards to DG's post:

"Whatever??? That's a mature response. I'm out of these right is tops and left is quaint, TT taught posts. It's like a Bill Joel song- if you catch my drift."

"Yes I have."

6b

Mike...I'm sorry but you're not making any sense.

DG

Dave,
I'm not 6b but his post seems clear to me. He is saying that
1) When you respond to someone's post with "Whatever???" It is interpreted as immature, unprofessional, degrading, etc.

2) He's tired and doesn't want to be involved in any post where anyone is promoting right arm swinging as the best and most wonderful and left arm swing is something less. Or put another way on the wider level - any post where a certain pattern or TGM proponent like Tomasello is held above everything or everybody else. Finally, he's saying that there is a Billy Joel song that kind of points this attitude out- I have no idea which one- maybe "Uptown Girl".

3) And Yes in regards to your original question, he has taken a lesson from Ben Doyle in person.

Hope that helps you in understanding what he was saying. Bear in mind that's my interpretation and therefore if I mistated something we couldn't hold it against 6B, as it is possible that I may have missed a specific point here or there. But my post gets you close enough.

[EdStraker]

Could someone post Ben's prefered pattern for those of us who don't have the 3rd edition?

I don't have the third edition, but I think the pattern is this based on the one lesson I had with him:

1 A
2 B
3 B
4 D
5 E
6 A
7 C
8 A
9 A
10 D
11 D
12 A
13 A
14 A
15 A
16 A
17 A
18 A
19 C
20 E
21 C
22 C
23 D
24 E


If any of the components should be different, I'm sure somebody will correct it.

[12 piece bucket]

Original Post from "PowerPackage Mike" aka 6bMike in regards to DG's post:






Dave,
I'm not 6b but his post seems clear to me. He is saying that
1) When you respond to someone's post with "Whatever???" It is interpreted as immature, unprofessional, degrading, etc.

2) He's tired and doesn't want to be involved in any post where anyone is promoting right arm swinging as the best and most wonderful and left arm swing is something less. Or put another way on the wider level - any post where a certain pattern or TGM proponent like Tomasello is held above everything or everybody else. Finally, he's saying that there is a Billy Joel song that kind of points this attitude out- I have no idea which one- maybe "Uptown Girl".

3) And Yes in regards to your original question, he has taken a lesson from Ben Doyle in person.

Hope that helps you in understanding what he was saying. Bear in mind that's my interpretation and therefore if I mistated something we couldn't hold it against 6B, as it is possible that I may have missed a specific point here or there. But my post gets you close enough.

You listen to Billy Joel??? No wonder you are wackin' peoples' heads off!!!

Up town girl!!!

She's been livin' in her high class world . . .

Her daddy's rich enough to buy her pearls . . .

This song'll never crack the top 10 . . .

Holy Sh . . Mike O just chopped off a chick's head again . . .

Mike you gotta use axe handle techinque right?

[6bmike]

Original Post from "PowerPackage Mike" aka 6bMike in regards to DG's post:






Dave,
I'm not 6b but his post seems clear to me. He is saying that
1) When you respond to someone's post with "Whatever???" It is interpreted as immature, unprofessional, degrading, etc.

2) He's tired and doesn't want to be involved in any post where anyone is promoting right arm swinging as the best and most wonderful and left arm swing is something less. Or put another way on the wider level - any post where a certain pattern or TGM proponent like Tomasello is held above everything or everybody else. Finally, he's saying that there is a Billy Joel song that kind of points this attitude out- I have no idea which one- maybe "Uptown Girl".

3) And Yes in regards to your original question, he has taken a lesson from Ben Doyle in person.

Hope that helps you in understanding what he was saying. Bear in mind that's my interpretation and therefore if I mistated something we couldn't hold it against 6B, as it is possible that I may have missed a specific point here or there. But my post gets you close enough.

hahahah thanks O (I think-LOL) The Billy Joel reference meant that after you hear a song of his a few times- it gets old real fast.

you and bucket are a trip

[Mike O]

You listen to Billy Joel??? No wonder you are wackin' peoples' heads off!!!

Up town girl!!!

She's been livin' in her high class world . . .

Her daddy's rich enough to buy her pearls . . .

This song'll never crack the top 10 . . .

Holy Sh . . Mike O just chopped off a chick's head again . . .

Mike you gotta use axe handle techinque right?

Come on Bucket! You should know me by now- certainly the Axe Handle Technique is one choice- For Example I'd use it on you!