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Perhaps the best way to answer your question would be to reference the image posted above. Before high frames per second video became available, it was hard to pinpoint subtle moves of say the shoulders and hips in unison during the transition.

I have benefited from Mr. Kelley's magnus opus and have declared that many times on this site.

However, I believe that while Mr. Kelley has addressed the descriptive portion of the swing, he has left the explanatory portion of the swing to the Certified Instructors the likes of Lynn. Therefore, it is very unlikely that one would be able to use the yellow book effectively without a Certified Instructor as Mr. Kelley has advised against.

When you say "subtle moves" are you referring to Kelvins "micro moves"? Fine by me. If so just say it. No need to worry about offending. Id venture that a lot of us here are familiar with Kelvins work. Please elaborate on what works for you and your students.

As for the last paragraph.... well thats a big topic.

Since this is Lynn Blake's forum , let me say that anyone thinking that a lesson from Lynn would be akin to time with a TGM slide rule would be horribly mistaken. He teaches Homers Alignments yes but then moves over to MOTION. Hence his interest in the teachings of 1920's instructors (pre position golf) who taught in this manner. McDonald , Wild Bill Melhourne etc. A lesson with Lynn can be more like a dance lesson, no club a lot of the time. Lynn Blake teaches what he believes works given his long love for Homer , Bertholy , McDonald , Melhourne , Jones , Hogan , Nelson , Boomer etc etc. He can talk chapter and verse from TGM true but he can do the same with others works as well. Bob McDonald being a fave. Oh and anyone taking a series of lessons will no doubt get to know Paul Runyan's short game methodology.

As an aside and since this also a TGM friendly forum , Homer touched on similar notions of motion too if you know where to look ... 6-P-0 "Let the motion make the shot". The three stages of which impact doesnt rank. 12-0's "Finally, it is strongly recommended that, with or without an Authorized Instructor, the first steps into this System be via the procedure set out in Chapter 12-5, regardless of yoru present level of play."

12-5
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BASIC MOTION CURRICULUM
Non-Technical - Simplified

12-5-0 BASIC REQUIREMENTS Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and as continuously as possible.

Make no adjustments during the Stroke, for – or because of – Impact. NEVER EVER. That is “Hacking at the Ball” and produces only “Hackers.”

Attach the items listed in the Three Stages, in sequence, without unnecessarily interrupting the Motion. Carefully develop the Address Routine (3-F-5).

Execute the items, single or in short series, first without a Ball and then with a Ball. Comply with 3-B, 5-0 and 12-3 – including The Triad. "

Ive highlighted the parts above which remind me of motion as taught by Lynn , Wild Bill (who worked with Hogan , who displayed the essential drill on the Ed Sullivan show ), Bob MacD. and others . IMO motion when taught in this manner , can create the positions people admire in still photographs . For sure. It did for me. I had to "lose control to gain control ", (George Knudson) first of course. Easier said than done.


Comdpa, Im wondering if the above motion drills could also create the subtle moves you allude to? I dunno, perhaps......... Id like to know your thoughts on this.

How do you best incorporate these " subtle moves" into a students swing? Is video a key element? Can the student learn the moves on his own then? Im not trying to start a fight or anything these could be harmonious schools of thought in some manner. If it aint so in your opinion .....fine by me.

BTW I need more lardosis, I do!

Cheers