[12 piece bucket]

Now wait a minute....I know the video you speak of....not defending it by any means...but there is another crew West Side...that advocates keeping the right arm bent to the navel too...right arm is ALWAYS seeking to straighten...

I ain't no teacher....but Kev....how many people do you see with their spine backing up? I think the right shoulder going vertical is no good...Hogan's right shoulder stayed high a long time...

The plane angle selected and the procedure selected is gonna dictate to a large extent the right shoulder geometry...it IS a DUAL AGENT no? ..... So say you got a cat that takes his hands up high and is a swinger...he's gonna have to "wait" for his arms to line up with his shoulders before he can turn them to the ball...so you are going to see the right shoulder working more vertical....

if you have a cat like A.P. the King...with low hands and a hitter....his right shoulder can turn out to the plane much earlier...due largely to where his hands are in space....so it's hard to just say...."you better not run of right arm"....you may have your right shoulder down there....but if your center is backing up...that ain't necessarily ideal.