[brownman]

The main reason I asked about that move still being relevant is that I have a hard time starting the down stroke.

Tomasello's tip seemed to me to be a great way to insure my right shoulder started down plane and that it could also possibly help with my start move down.

After reading in another thread that my pivot was probably not the best. I now know that not being able to get my right shoulder started down plane correctly, pivot and of course weight shift are of all related.

I'm not sure if I have a flat shoulder turn or not on back stroke? On the down swing I know I do hence my OTT move that I have never been able to cure completely, but I don't think thats what you mean. Standing up in the down stroke, causing OTT and pull hooks, pulls and push fades is not a flat shoulder turn on back stroke!

Will it never end?

Tom also said (I think),by dropping the R/shoulder down,it has a couple of good things happen. 1. It enables the R/elbow to clear the right hip,and 2. it enables the swing to make inside out to path thus stopping the dreaded OTT