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Yes. All of this is of course for the purpose of "zeroing out" any divergence between the path and the face, or hitting it straight (also assuming an accurate strike) It also helps explain my method of hitting straight shots, namely trying to hit a fade! To me it is a matter of learning how to hit it straight and then learn to aim it. To me the inside out cut shot achieves the same result. Took a beginner, taught him how to hit a little punch shot that initially was a push-slice. We worked on the club face angle (mainly by matching it up with the clubhead path. first push-fades, then finally just pushes. Next we just started to rotate everything to the left until the ball was on target. He had 3 polies over the course of 30 or so shots. I was disgusted! The face still gets away from him, and we are now moving the ball closer to low point and shallowing out his angle of attack as well as the path...which typical means less adjustment in terms of reorienting the plane line. I don't use the ever popular instruction of swinging left, I just trace the right plane line.

About the vertical/horizontal swing plane terminology. I agree that knowing what an elbow plane vs a turned shoulder plane is far more user friendly but Trackman measures these planes to the degree. Not because it is an earth shattering revelation to a player that their vertical swing plane with the driver is 45*, but because that number has a lot to do with the result of the shot. Wonder hogan looks like he was going to bruise his ribcage on the following through by the degree he ripped it left! Flatter swing plane (as I already mentioned) has more of an out nature, so to have the ball start on line he rotated his stuff left (even with a closed stance)Nicklaus on the hand was into bruising his chin on the backswing and hardly seems to be making any plane line adjustments (less out.)I do not know that the take on the d-plane is over here (I was on sabbatical!) but it squares up!