[BerntR]

I hope this theme deserves a new thread. TGM is full of causes and consequences that isn't always easy to overview. Daryl seems to be more on top of this than most others and he has given me a few things to think about. At the moment I neither agree or disagree. I just try to understand Daryl's and TGM's take on this.

I have been misrepresented.

I don't Shift during the Downstroke. I also said that there are exceptions to the Flip Release by Plane Shifters. I named Hogan, Nelson and Sergio Garcia as the exceptions. The reason for their exception is because their Clubshafts are already aligned to the Impact Shaft Angle before they reach the Transition from their Startdown Plane to the Elbow Plane. Thus, they can choose any Release Type that their Release Point can accommodate.

Additionally, a Plane Shifting Player can adjust his Stance, Target and Plane lines to adjust the Release Point and not be forced to "Flip" Release.

So... If you plane shift, but keep the clubshaft plane angle constant, you can use any release that your pivot can support. So the club will travel on parallel planes. Is that what you're saying?

You say that plane shifters depend on a fixed release point. And I assume you will say that plane shifters play with pivot controlled hands. Is that right?

What are the mechanical requirements to hands controlled pivot and why is it only a single plane that meet those.

Can golfers who swing on the elbow plane have hands controlled pivot? Hands plane? Turning shoulder plane?

Do you regard the pivot motion as a constant when you draw these conclusions? In the sense that it basically does the same motion every time?

I realise that there is a tighter relationship between the pivot and the release with a plane shift. For some of us, that is partly the point of doing it: To get more pivot into the release. But that also means that the hands can do less on their own. Thus, you would need a more flexible and responsive pivot to have something as flexible as "hands control".

If I asked you to hypothize: What kind of pivot control would it take to play hands controlled with plane shift? Let's assume that you can change Zone 1 by merely thinking about what you want to do with the ball.