LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Hip rotation Thread: Hip rotation View Single Post #17 04-17-2010, 11:33 AM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 In the Shells WWOG lesson, Hogan demonstrates what we'd term a Startdown Waggle and talks about how its the "movement of the lower body", the "knees and hips", "not the shoulders". And goes on to take the club all the way down to Release with an apparent Turning motion. In his slow motion drills, The Coleman tape for instance he shows a similar lower body turn with no shoulder action or independent movement even in Startdown and Downswing and does it in such a manner that the clubshaft gets really stuck behind him and off plane. Im wondering if this is a slight exaggeration, a feel maybe but not a real? What do you guys think? Although he did get the club laid off a tad in transition sometimes when actually swinging, Im thinking that he got the sequence , the next component above the Hips the Shoulders going earlier than Release, Actively (Shoulder Throw) or otherwise. This would be consistent with his chain action theory wouldnt it? Homer made a serious study of this motion. He thought Hogan was the "Ideal" in terms of Pivot and CF. He thought Hogan spun the fly wheel and then having set the whole thing in motion had no choice but to just let er go...........that he could fall asleep and still end up hitting the ball. An early , over the top firing of the Shoulders is a 6-M-1 wrecker for sure............but what about an effort to turn the Hips to pull the Shoulders deep into the swing? Is that a Sequence wrecker too? Dont the Hips have to give way to the next component, the Shoulders if your using 6-M-1? After the quick initial acceleration is it even possible to maintain the Hips rate of turning, acceleration? If no then the Shoulders are coming on stream whether your spinning the Hips hard or not. The force, in its ground up 6-M-1 Downswing Sequence pathway has passed from Hips to Shoulder to Arms to Hands to clubhead already by impact .............so what is the continued effort to make the Hips pull the Shoulders accomplishing? And even if you could maintain the Hips rate of turning to pull the Shoulders all the way down to Impact would that not mean that you have yet to Release? Where is the clubface then? You'd making contact with all the Power Accumulators fully loaded. What if they are the same at Separation? The Hips for some guys may be very open at impact but this doesnt mean they are still pulling the Shoulders to my mind. Its a residual. They did have a running start after all being less turned at Top than the Shoulders. Heck you could turn the Hips and Shoulders together as a unit from Top and arrive at Impact with the Hips relatively open and having had zero hip pull. Its a co ordinated sequence. Like whip cracking or towel snapping or whatever. You have to let the force pass on to the next component. The Hips go and then slow, they work and then coast. We dont consciously slow them they just do it on their own. They cant maintain the pull, so the Shoulders go no matter what. No second firing , no constant spinning required , no braking. Although a firm left side and balance are alway welcome. After the Shoulders go the Left Arm separates, #4 fires. Whether your Shoulders are still moving forward or not. Same deal. Its a multi levered sequence. Making "High School hip action" an exaggerated , sequence and balance damaging .....affectation. Unless of course the co-eds like it which would be another consideration all together. I have super 8 film of my swing when i was about 15 or so back in the seventies ........showed it to TEd recently ............man its funny. Ted wondered how I was able to see the ball through all that hair. My back aches just looking at that reverse C swing today. Last edited by O.B.Left : 04-17-2010 at 12:33 PM. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left