LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - starting down for swingers Thread: starting down for swingers View Single Post #73 02-17-2010, 09:58 PM Delaware Golf Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 773 Originally Posted by okie DG, I am little lost. How did Tomasello say the downswing was initiated? The pulling action of the forearms, or the accelertion of the right shoulder? I probably should know given that this path is well worn, but occured to me that I was a bit vague. Do the arms move the shoulder, or does the right shoulder move the arms? Or do the hips actually move first because the intent was to move the right shoulder down plane? I have posted before that in my own stroke pattern my conscious thought is to hurtle my right shoulder down plane, but the eye of the camera suggest that regardless of my intent the hips slide tilting my axis. Thinking about hip slide is the kiss of death for me. As for pulling of the forearms that tends to disconnect my power package from its engine, the pivot. I find it interesting that you regard TT as a TGM savant extrodinaire. I agree with OB in that Homer would not be nailed down to one pattern etc. To me any teacher that over emphasizes one pattern, or component variation for that matter, to the exclusion of all others misses the point! Either, they do not have a full understanding of all the workable patterns, or they cannot resist the temptation to have a pet pattern. TGM then becomes a method, and no longer a catalogue of workability. We are still then just looking for a magic bullet (which I have found by the way! ) I like what TT says. To tout his expertise as without peer is admirable from a loyalty point of view, but I think it ultimately marginalizes Tom Tomasello in the eyes of many in light of our benefactor's (Yoda) vast knowledge. Lynn certainly does not have to defend his prowess, it literally speaks for itself. A true TGM savant is not married to a methodology, ultimately honoring Homer's intent. For TT it may have been a hit and miss kind of thing. I think he had an aversion to hitting, which I think has some real advantages. It is tough to be objective, most everybody picks favorites. I found Homer's reluctance to speak adamantly about what he preferred to be quite irritating! Now I appreciate why. Like 10-20-E? Then utilize 10-20-E! Tomasello....6 ways to start the club down (in the book if you used the hand throw you could get it up to approximately 9 or 10). You have the book read chapter 11 section 20...in the sixth edition it's trigger combinations.... It's interesting they are no knee triggers and there are no hip triggers...wonder why? The parallel....shooting a gun!!! To set the bullet in motion you have to pull the trigger. In TGM there are 5 basic trigger types. BTW, the thing about the forearm startdown...you need to develop an "Instant Acceleration" Hip Action per 10-19-C...as Tommy says in the Australia video series, the left hip will react to the action of the right forearm. Tommy's student (Mark Evershed)calls it the "Quiet Body" action, I call it the "Reactive Body" or Hip Action. Both the Hips and Right Shoulder respond to the triggering action of the Muscles of both forearms. Even with a 10-20-C triggering action the hips still lead the shoulders. As Tommy said in his GI interview, there is no seperation between the hips and shoulders. DG Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-17-2010 at 10:04 PM. Delaware Golf View Public Profile Send a private message to Delaware Golf Find all posts by Delaware Golf