[Daryl]

Great lets change the subject to the orbit of the Clubhead and away from the path of the Hands. They relate but are not the same.



And one backward and one upward on the backswing then, right?



Not the entire downstroke, lower case "d". Or are you referring to the Downstroke in a TGM sense? You know, Startdown, Downstroke, Release etc.

For both Basic Patterns 12-1 Hitting and 12-2 Swinging Homer selected the Standard Shoulder turn variation. Flat back and On Plane going down. The Right Shoulder riding the Inclined Plane or the TSP in Startdown. This is achieved via Axis Tilt, Hip Slide which lowers the Right Shoulder and was defined by Homer as another Downward force in 2-N-1. It is not as your Cliffsnotes suggest a result of the Balanced Out Force of the divergent Vectors. It cant be both Downward and Balanced Out at the same time. 2-N-1 pertains to the Clubhead Orbit not the Path of the Right Shoulder. The Right Shoulders path is way, way back in the Pivot Train or kinetic link or whatever, important though it is.





So dont use your Hands unintentionally? Is that what you mean? I used to use that excuse on dates all the time. "Oops sorry , didnt mean to do that ."
Hands are clamps, agreed. But when educated are used to great advantage. Didnt Lynn once say something like, "Its all about the Hands but its not a Handsy swing". I think it was in the Jeff Hull "From Mechanics to Feel" video.

I agree. Hands at release and Impact. If you're good enough, skilled enough, and can handle it when something goes wrong, then use 'em. I do it on almost every shot. It's not that I let them interfere, but I do it just enough to "stay with the shot" and feel my way through Impact.

Aye,

Ya have to take the Shoulder downplane far enough to keep enough right elbow bend for release and impact. It will turn off plane around or before release, but it has to stay down.


Startup is simple plane line tracing With the Hands. No shoulder or Pivot until Backstroke.