[sasquatch_mn]

I try to feel the handle of the grip pointing at the gutter when my right forearm is parallel to the ground, P8, to me that is the key to what I am trying to accomplish, getting the shaft to go back up the plane line. Can't do it without a swivel of the flat left wrist.

dolly pardon? "gutter" and P8". I w/ you on the shaft going back up plane w/ FLW, but the other terms Im lost.