[gmbtempe]

gmbtempe,

Also, when setting up at impact fix, I like the clubface to "appear" open. Here are a couple of good examples:

Kevin

Wow, that is quite a bit more open than I am starting at. I though that taking the address with impact fix the idea was slightly right with short irons, square to closed with middle and long irons, and closed with the driver. I assume the drive gets close a bit also from the ball position being moved up.

Thats a great picture.

The whole key last night is I understand a little more of the cross line thrust per 2-J-3-A (i think), golflagtips site really has some cool pictures on that (i see you there as well). I now trust that the thrust and clubface may look like its going to send it right but the physics and geometry do not. Its harder to ingrain that though with a driver swing hitting.