LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Bio Mechanics Thread: Bio Mechanics View Single Post #160 08-11-2009, 08:22 PM no_mind_golfer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 118 Originally Posted by bioengine No Mind, How about opening up you mind for a minute. At present you have a closed mind. Your going off your own belief system.. My mind is open. I'm listening ... What did you say your qualifications were? Have you been to a University? I subscribe to the beliefs systems I learned at the university (they are not mine) which are rooted in the pioneering work of such people as Issac Newton. There is nothing new here. He penned it all in the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in 1687. Originally Posted by bioengine Your sadly mistaken if you think I'm here to sell videos etc. You are way off the mark there. Problem in golf is no likes sharing their information. I have admiration for Yoda cause he's only to happy to share his knowledge with everyone. I'm in the same boat I want to share my knowledge with people for the better of the game. Not sell video's your sadly mistaken. hmm energy can't be stored interesting, can you please enlighten everyone about eccentric-cocentric (Stretch-Shorten Cycle) works please. I believe that with in this cycle they say elastic energy is stored. Quite interesting.. There is no energy stored when muscles are stretched. Muscles contract... thats what they do. When muscles contract they apply forces to levers (the human skeleton) which cause movement. Thats all. Originally Posted by bioengine Can you enlighten us on the first law of thermodynamics U=Eh+Em+Ep,s U= work , Eh = change in heat or thermal energy, Em = Change in chemical energy Es,p = Change in elastic energy Your saying the muscles are always active, hmm interesting. Aren't also muscles accelerating an decelerating as well. . Muscles contract (apply force) to levers... thats it! Thats what muscles do. I would have thought you'd have questioned me on the third law instead... Thats the much more interesting one the says conversations like this one are destined to degenerate. First law says energy is conserved in the SYSTEM. When a golf ball is compressed some energy converted (i.e. wasted) to heat and noise... that energy is forever lost and cannot be used to help propel it the golf ball. However that heat and that noise is STILL in the system... Energy is consevered.... IN THE SYSTEM (which includes golfer ball and surroundings) THAT my biofriend is what the first law says. Get it? But momentum is NOT energy. They are two entirely different concepts. Originally Posted by bioengine Can explain this phoenomena for us. Angular momentum is conserved in a system where there is no net external torque, and its conservation helps explain many diverse phenomena. For example, the increase in rotational speed of a spinning figure skater as the skater's arms are contracted is a consequence of conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum applies in golf, actually in tennis, throwing and a ton of other sports, research was conduct by kinesiology and have written tons on research conducted and they all agree. Hmmm. Sure Angular momentum "applies" in golf.... But Angular Momentum sure as heck is not CONSERVED in the golf swing (for the reasons I've already stated several times now). If angular momentum were being conserved in golf as a theoretical golfer spun about his/her theoretical spine axis then as the club moved away from the body.... THE ROTATION OF THE SYSTEM WOULD SLOW DOWN. COAM dictates that an Increase the moment of inertia must be accompanied by a rotational speed decrease. Everyone knows that does not happen. Everyone knows the club angular velocity speeds up as it releases and Nesbits data proves not everyones (probably darn few) hands slow down prior to impact. COAM like COM in describing the golf swing is a MYTH (one of many btw). Originally Posted by bioengine Research done by our findings is not one man's belief. Years of research from Kinesiology, Neuromechanics, biomechanics has gone into our research. A team of researchers of 20 years. So your saying researchers from the American sport institute is wrong are you saying biomotion is wrong as well. Very interesting. I'm saying what you have written in this thread is wrong.... Don't go trying to drag other's to your defense. That is a blatant logical fallacy (appeal to popularity)... in this case a popular misconception. Originally Posted by bioengine honestly, I personally don't care about the theory. In our field you don't last long in the game if your theories are flawed and don't get results. All we care about is how to train athletes how to create better movement patterns. Our focus is training athletes to create the right movements through training. We train the body to create better movement patterns. Results speak louder then words. YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT THEORY! Let me tell you a true story. There was once a project to which a young Engineering graduate was assigned. They had a pit of water about 60 feet deep that need to be drained so construction could begin.... The forman on the job had a lot of "practical" experience and ordered that a certain pump be used. The young engineer took one look at the pump and said it would not work. The forman was an arrogant man who thought he knew more that some young punk engineer fresh out of school with nothing but some "book learnin". In the end the engineer was proven right... Even though it was a very big pump it did not work. do you know why? Anybody? "Theory" tells us why. Bio.... Your words sound nice ... very benevolent... But I believe Ayn Rand has you pegged... you're in it for selfish purposes... All business' are in it to make money. Again... I'm listening... WHERE IS THE BEEF? no_mind_golfer View Public Profile Send a private message to no_mind_golfer Find all posts by no_mind_golfer