[Daryl]

-first sentence above assumes 10-15-B Delayed, no?

Hi O.B.

Yep. Delayed. An Almost "must do" procedures for Swingers; but, I do preset my Hips out of the way of the Backstroke like Hogan and Brian Gay with a set-up procedure.

Using 10-15-A Standard Hip Action, the Hips lead and pull the shoulders in both directions. Its "Hula, Hula" not just "Hula". Not so common anymore but I think Luke does this. You know all this and more, I realize, it was you that introduced me to Hip Action. Just clarifying things for the folks following along at home.

As a Hitter, it's easier for him because of his Impact Fixed hands position at address. Extensor Action takeaway draws the Right Elbow Back immediately. This gives him a path for his Pivot. Besides, it's very awkward for him to have a pre-set hip turn with a Forward Hands Set-up. But Swingers need a Stationary Right Elbow at Start-up. A Standard Pivot would move the Elbow as the Hips Turn.

-don't know what you mean by "Cable Pull" exactly, but one point that Lynn corrected in my Hitting Stroke and/or perception of things, might relate to this. Namely, an elbow saw or piston like right arm fold , while displayed in the Alignment Golf DVD by V.J. during the chipping, hinging discussion, is really verging on a Push Basic Stroke. One variation available to us in terms of Elbow Position, but recommended for short shots only. These little shots can of course also be executed using a less piston like Punch Elbow with an associated increase in Fanning in the Fanning/Bending mix. ...

...I had mistakenly been morphing a more linear, less fanning right arm into my full swing startup, thinking this was the Hitters ideal. Not Keereckt. Wrong-o....

Quote:

...Per 10-3-A PUNCH. "From a "down- and-at-the-side" Elbow Position whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a straight-line Right Hand Punch is delivered through Imapct (6-E). Per 6-C-2-A and 7-19. Except with a 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a "Fanning" type of motion, not a "Linear" Push Stroke type of motion (10-3-C).

"Cable Pull" on a weight machine at the gym. It's the same as an Elbow Saw or Piston with a little Fanning. I agree that the Punch Elbow is a Fanning-Punch, not linear. The Hands and Right Forearm are brought into Release in a Fanned condition from which the Punch begins.

So to my mind anyways, the swingers and hitters elbow positions (and therefore their Major Basic Strokes and associated Right Forearm Takeaways) can if you so choose have more in common than they do differences.

Yes, Of course.

And now for something shocking........what if the Right Arm didnt Fan but rather was Fanned? By the Pivot in Startup! Leaving the Right Arm to simYou need a Pivot in Startup!

No, Never, not even If Tortured. Unless you're a Hitter.

Start down is a somewhat different deal where, assuming a Turned Shoulder Plane and Axis Tilt etc, the Right Shoulder takes the Power Package down the TSP, they ride it together the Right Shoulder providing the initial power until the Hands accelerate away from the Shoulders and continue down plane on their own power.

Hands never move on their own Power. They move Away from the Right Shoulder, but as a Package, Pivoting downward from the shoulder sockets during the Downstroke as though both arms and elbows and hands were in a cast with no parts moving at a different speed than another. The Direction is Down, not out. Outward is for Release.