[joeunc]

I don't have the "little yellow book" to look that up.
I have always seen most teachings with a more neutral to just a hair strong grip. It seems when I get that left thumb more to side it is really making it a Zach Johnson type really strong grip.
But with that more neutral grip PP#1 is never behind the shaft unless the left arm is rolled clockwise which on the downswing if that is the case and you are late, then hosel rockets here we come as the hosel not the sweetspot is lagging.

I will have to look at impact fix and see what I see next.
So, what I should be doing is going for a vertical flat to slightly "insuranced" cupped left wrist at impact fix and the left thumb should be behind the shaft at that point pushing PP#1 with right lifeline and not on top, correct??? Then when I move back to adjusted address the clubface would be open and the grip would look to my eye to be stronger than normal?? Does that make sense?

thanks for all the help
Joe