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Also maybe start looking at stance and plane line variations....that seems IMO to be where MORAD does some work... using a specific plane/stance line other than the square-square variety to control ball flight...still working on this one...

I'm not going to comment on the MORAD deal, but I do agree with the face/plane line/shaft lean/handle height variations approach. I think people get stuck on the "ideal" while learning how it all works. At some point you gotta learn to make the ball talk! You know how to trace a straight line? Great! Which one are you going to trace on this particular shot? I like to hit slight push-draws so I aim the clubface right of the target line, I then shift my plane line right of the club face alignment. I can do this from an open, square or closed stance...not equally well mind you! To most people this will appear to look under plane, but I traced the desired line. Without TGM concepts like tracing a straight line would be limited to paper! At some point however you gotta quit doing all the heavy lifting and program the ball!