[Mike O]

Mike

I am curious. Why is that grip bad?

You also wrote-: "Horizontal hinging does not have a draw bias. You can slice, fade, draw, hook using horizontal hinging as it really depends on the clubface relationship to clubhead path."

I cannot understand this point. Why would one use horizontal hinging if one deliberately wanted to fade/slice the ball? Secondly, consider a golfer who wants to hit the ball as straight as possible. I presume that you agree that he must have a slightly open clubface at the time of first ball impact, and a square clubface at the time of ball-clubface seperation. So, what type of hinging action would result in a perfectly straight ball flight (with no tendency to fading/drawing) if the clubhead arc is perfectly symmetrical to the ball-target line and the clubface is square to the ball-target line at the exact moment of ball-clubface separation?


Jeff.

I am curious. Why is that grip bad?

Obvsiously, you can integrate a movement with any grip. Is it a grip that someone could play well with? - sure. That said- here is my perspective. To call that grip neutral is a crime really. Historically and even in the Golfing Machine book- that grip is a weak grip- the left thumb is on top of the shaft and not more behind the shaft at impact. There is a reason that historically those terms were used - i.e. strong and weak - in relation to different grips. Weak isn't good.

For golfing machine fanatics that would want to grip the club with the left hand flat, level and vertical- that grip doesn't accomplish that for a normal straight shot with the ball separating at or before lowpoint.

That's my viewpoint.

You also wrote-: "Horizontal hinging does not have a draw bias. You can slice, fade, draw, hook using horizontal hinging as it really depends on the clubface relationship to clubhead path."
I cannot understand this point. Why would one use horizontal hinging if one deliberately wanted to fade/slice the ball?

In golfing machine terms- horizontal hinging is the result of a golf swing that uses centrifugal force- that's what creates that amount and type of clubface closing through impact. Since golf swings that use centrifugal force- are no different than other golf swings - they all encounter on course conditions that require fading or drawing the golf ball at times. Therefore alterations are made to the impact conditions that create fading and drawing - while the motion the face makes through impact is still horizontal hinging created by centrifugal force. At least that would be "your" golf machine answer in a nutshell.